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I think that the CCP:

Is right about everything
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Is more often right than wrong
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Is more often wrong than right
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52%
Is always in the wrong
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Postby My Political Fantasy » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:43 pm

China seems to have a similar social system to the Soviet Union in which people connected to the communist party have all the political and economic power. The Chinese "Communist" party is just a bunch of aristocrats.
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Postby Arisyan » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:44 pm

Almost entirely wrong. They are committing massive genocide, human rights abuses and suppressing free speech, and are honestly not even close to being communist or even socialist. The party has abandoned socialism completely, in favour of state capitalism, and they are extremely socially oppressive too. Oh, and they have a weird cult of personality around past and present leaders. All in all, they are a bad party that I have little in common with.
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Postby New Jacobland » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:45 pm

My Political Fantasy wrote:China seems to have a similar social system to the Soviet Union in which people connected to the communist party have all the political and economic power. The chinese "Communist" party is just a bunch of aristocrats.


CCP: 'Abolish the classes to achieve utopia!'
Also the CCP: 'Let's create our own dominant class!'
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:45 pm

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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:45 pm

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read sig was referring to the fact he called me, the user, new.
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:46 pm

New Jacobland wrote:
My Political Fantasy wrote:China seems to have a similar social system to the Soviet Union in which people connected to the communist party have all the political and economic power. The chinese "Communist" party is just a bunch of aristocrats.


CCP: 'Abolish the classes to achieve utopia!'
Also the CCP: 'Let's create our own dominant class!'

CCP: 'Let's set up a communist system.'
Also the CCP: Realize China is agrarian, implement capitalist policies to quickly advance society just so they can do haha funny sickle hammer.
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Postby Ancapimania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:47 pm

Arisyan wrote:Almost entirely wrong. They are committing massive genocide, human rights abuses and suppressing free speech, and are honestly not even close to being communist or even socialist. The party has abandoned socialism completely, in favour of state capitalism, and they are extremely socially oppressive too. Oh, and they have a weird cult of personality around past and present leaders. All in all, they are a bad party that I have little in common with.

It's not state capitalism,it's extreme communism
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Postby New Jacobland » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:48 pm

Ancapimania wrote:
Arisyan wrote:Almost entirely wrong. They are committing massive genocide, human rights abuses and suppressing free speech, and are honestly not even close to being communist or even socialist. The party has abandoned socialism completely, in favour of state capitalism, and they are extremely socially oppressive too. Oh, and they have a weird cult of personality around past and present leaders. All in all, they are a bad party that I have little in common with.

It's not state capitalism,it's extreme communism


Umm...no.

China is certainly not extreme communism.
Can you please give us some evidence to support your claim?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:49 pm

The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:
Your sig doesn't grant any sort of magical immunity to getting smacked for breaking the site rules. Knock off the flamey jabs and stick to arguing the points.

read sig was referring to the fact he called me, the user, new.

If you are a puppet you should know better. I was trying to pleasantly give benefit of the doubt, as opposed to filing a moderation report on a mild flame.
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:50 pm

New Jacobland wrote:
Ancapimania wrote:It's not state capitalism,it's extreme communism


Umm...no.

China is certainly not extreme communism.
Can you please give us some evidence to support your claim?

I don't think this guy knows what he's saying, but he's got the spirit of flaming CCP, I guess.
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Postby Ancapimania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:50 pm

New Jacobland wrote:
Ancapimania wrote:It's not state capitalism,it's extreme communism


Umm...no.

China is certainly not extreme communism.
Can you please give us some evidence to support your claim?

They give children money and then they steal the money to share with the state
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:51 pm

Ancapimania wrote:
Arisyan wrote:Almost entirely wrong. They are committing massive genocide, human rights abuses and suppressing free speech, and are honestly not even close to being communist or even socialist. The party has abandoned socialism completely, in favour of state capitalism, and they are extremely socially oppressive too. Oh, and they have a weird cult of personality around past and present leaders. All in all, they are a bad party that I have little in common with.

It's not state capitalism,it's extreme communism


China is weird. Hypercaptialism to iron rations.
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Postby New Antarcticania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:52 pm

Also, China has a TV channel that is basically devoted to the People's liberation army, they had broadcasts about agriculture, but the state dropped it and moved it to a new channel, so how its just a never ending channel about how cool and chad the PLA is.
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Postby New Jacobland » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:53 pm

New Antarcticania wrote:Also, China has a TV channel that is basically devoted to the People's liberation army, they had broadcasts about agriculture, but the state dropped it and moved it to a new channel, so how its just a never ending channel about how cool and chad the PLA is.

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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:53 pm

New Antarcticania wrote:Also, China has a TV channel that is basically devoted to the People's liberation army, they had broadcasts about agriculture, but the state dropped it and moved it to a new channel, so how its just a never ending channel about how cool and chad the PLA is.

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why are all communist countries, supposedly the most left of ideology, authoritarian?
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Postby The powerful lands of America » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:53 pm

New Antarcticania wrote:Also, China has a TV channel that is basically devoted to the People's liberation army, they had broadcasts about agriculture, but the state dropped it and moved it to a new channel, so how its just a never ending channel about how cool and chad the PLA is.

where did you get that
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The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
New Antarcticania wrote:Also, China has a TV channel that is basically devoted to the People's liberation army, they had broadcasts about agriculture, but the state dropped it and moved it to a new channel, so how its just a never ending channel about how cool and chad the PLA is.

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why are all communist countries, supposedly the most left of ideology, authoritarian?
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:54 pm

Ancapimania wrote:It's not state capitalism,it's extreme communism

No it really isn't extreme communism. If it was pushing extreme communism then it would have an absolutely non-negotiable zero tolerance policy towards any kind of private enterprise.
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Postby New Antarcticania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:54 pm

The powerful lands of America wrote:
New Antarcticania wrote:Also, China has a TV channel that is basically devoted to the People's liberation army, they had broadcasts about agriculture, but the state dropped it and moved it to a new channel, so how its just a never ending channel about how cool and chad the PLA is.

where did you get that

Nostalgia, the channel is called CCTV 7
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Postby New Jacobland » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:54 pm

The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
New Antarcticania wrote:Also, China has a TV channel that is basically devoted to the People's liberation army, they had broadcasts about agriculture, but the state dropped it and moved it to a new channel, so how its just a never ending channel about how cool and chad the PLA is.

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why are all communist countries, supposedly the most left of ideology, authoritarian?


You can't be communist without authoritarianism until you reach this unachievable Marxist utopia.
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why are all communist countries, supposedly the most left of ideology, authoritarian?


You can't be communist without authoritarianism until you reach this unachievable Marxist utopia.


It's not a Marxist utopia without a Nomenklatura : )
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Postby Ancapimania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:55 pm

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New Antarcticania wrote:Also, China has a TV channel that is basically devoted to the People's liberation army, they had broadcasts about agriculture, but the state dropped it and moved it to a new channel, so how its just a never ending channel about how cool and chad the PLA is.

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why are all communist countries, supposedly the most left of ideology, authoritarian?

I think a country in Latin America was ancom once,idk if I'm right tho
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:56 pm

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why are all communist countries, supposedly the most left of ideology, authoritarian?
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how troll though?

just cause i put troll face?
otherwise it's a legitimately valid statement.
not a single com country that stays true to preached rheotoric?
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why are all communist countries, supposedly the most left of ideology, authoritarian?

I think a country in Latin America was ancom once,idk if I'm right tho

I mean... I wouldn't think so. All those "an___" are pretty much untested.
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