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The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?

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I think that the CCP:

Is right about everything
29
4%
Is more often right than wrong
71
10%
Is more often wrong than right
359
52%
Is always in the wrong
230
33%
 
Total votes : 689

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Alentejozinho and Algarvezinho
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The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?

Postby Alentejozinho and Algarvezinho » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:26 pm

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:28 pm

They’re actively committing genocide right now.

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The Huskar Social Union
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Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:29 pm

They are pretty shit
Heloin wrote:They’re actively committing genocide right now.
Big reason why ^
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The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:29 pm

Alentejozinho and Algarvezinho wrote:This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

they are always wrong considering the fact near every one of their policy is based on the oppression of their people, murder of opposition, or intentionally tension raising.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:30 pm

Heloin wrote:They’re actively committing genocide right now.

But they make such bloody good cameras.
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Ancapimania
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Postby Ancapimania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:31 pm

They brain wash people into believing the wrong,they commit genocides and they have little to no rights.they are bad
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The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:31 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Heloin wrote:They’re actively committing genocide right now.

But they make such bloody good cameras.

korea or japan make better ones. :}
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The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:32 pm

Ancapimania wrote:They brain wash people into believing the wrong,they commit genocides and they have little to no rights.they are bad

you sound like a fourth grader, but you are still right.
demonstration that anyone can understand this if they aren't braindead.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:33 pm

The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:But they make such bloody good cameras.

korea or japan make better ones. :}

The quote in the movie refers to the Japanese, it works here too.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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New Jacobland
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Founded: Oct 01, 2019
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Postby New Jacobland » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:33 pm

I don't deny the CCP is the most powerful political party in the world, but hey definitely aren't'right'.

I could post a page of the horrors they have perpetrated, but here's a short sample:

Uighur genocide in Xinjiang
Tiananmen Square
National Security law in Hong Kong
Crackdown on any dissent
Critics suddenly magically 'disappearing'

The list goes on...
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The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:34 pm

Alentejozinho and Algarvezinho wrote:This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?


OP wanted everyone to agree with his brainwashed view of China.
He's that one vote who says "always right"
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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:35 pm

The CCP has strayed so, so far from its initial goals. “Socialism with Chinese characteristics” is a fucking joke, there’s literally thousands of billionaires among the Party’s membership, none of it is even close to what could be called communism.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:35 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:korea or japan make better ones. :}

The quote in the movie refers to the Japanese, it works here too.

Don’t worry, I got the reference.

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Ancapimania
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Founded: Feb 11, 2021
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Postby Ancapimania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:36 pm

The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
Alentejozinho and Algarvezinho wrote:This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?


OP wanted everyone to agree with his brainwashed view of China.
He's that one vote who says "always right"

Who is op?
The nation of Ancapimania is a free,democratic Nation with guns
officially a British ancap
Defcon 5-very peaceful
Ancappro drugsanti Americaanti Chinaanti EUpro choicemusketeerDragon city pro

Ancap wonderland
Here's why I'm anti American: they eat burger king.

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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:36 pm

The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
Ancapimania wrote:They brain wash people into believing the wrong,they commit genocides and they have little to no rights.they are bad

you sound like a fourth grader, but you are still right.
demonstration that anyone can understand this if they aren't braindead.

You are new here, generally it is considered bad form to insult another poster, by calling them a 4th grader for example. Focus on the post, not the poster.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:37 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:you sound like a fourth grader, but you are still right.
demonstration that anyone can understand this if they aren't braindead.

You are new here, generally it is considered bad form to insult another poster, by calling them a 4th grader for example. Focus on the post, not the poster.

Read sig.
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New Jacobland
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Postby New Jacobland » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:37 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:The CCP has strayed so, so far from its initial goals. “Socialism with Chinese characteristics” is a fucking joke, there’s literally thousands of billionaires among the Party’s membership, none of it is even close to what could be called communism.

China has gone from attempting to achieve an impossible (but somewhat noble) goal of communist utopia, to just trying to keep the Communists in power and dominate the world. They are hardly even socialist anymore, they're capitalist now for goodness sake.
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The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:37 pm

Ancapimania wrote:
The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
OP wanted everyone to agree with his brainwashed view of China.
He's that one vote who says "always right"

Who is op?

original poster. person who started this forum.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:40 pm

The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:You are new here, generally it is considered bad form to insult another poster, by calling them a 4th grader for example. Focus on the post, not the poster.

Read sig.

No thank you, I have signed turned off. My wireless is capped.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Ancapimania
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Postby Ancapimania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:40 pm

The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
Ancapimania wrote:Who is op?

original poster. person who started this forum.

His views are wrong,he is a leftist commie probably but he said that their poverty is going down,it's not!the numbers are skyrocketing
The nation of Ancapimania is a free,democratic Nation with guns
officially a British ancap
Defcon 5-very peaceful
Ancappro drugsanti Americaanti Chinaanti EUpro choicemusketeerDragon city pro

Ancap wonderland
Here's why I'm anti American: they eat burger king.

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New Antarcticania
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby New Antarcticania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:40 pm

I'm a Chinese immigrant and literally Half of our TV shows are about-

The 2nd Sino-Japansese War (and how great mao was and the nationalist party SUCKED!)

Feudal China

Feudal China but with magic

The years after wwII (Atomic bomb development, How bad the us goverment was for supporting The exiled nationalists)

Something about the Chinese special forces and police and how competent and brave they are
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:41 pm

It isn't just wrong, it is wrong in the worst way possible, i.e. being deeply hypocritical with its "Socialism with Chinese Capitalist Characteristics." It's doublethink incarnate.
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The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:41 pm

Ancapimania wrote:
The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:original poster. person who started this forum.

His views are wrong,he is a leftist commie probably but he said that their poverty is going down,it's not!the numbers are skyrocketing


sorry you lose your spacebar or something
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New Jacobland
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Postby New Jacobland » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:42 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:Read sig.

No thank you, I have signed turned off. My wireless is capped.


His sig says he is Alterman's RP puppet.

The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire wrote:
Ancapimania wrote:His views are wrong,he is a leftist commie probably but he said that their poverty is going down,it's not!the numbers are skyrocketing


sorry you lose your spacebar or something


Can we keep discussion civil here please?
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The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire
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Postby The 2nd Byzantine-Hellenic Empire » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:42 pm

New Antarcticania wrote:I'm a Chinese immigrant and literally Half of our TV shows are about-

The 2nd Sino-Japansese War (and how great mao was and the nationalist party SUCKED!)

Feudal China

Feudal China but with magic

The years after wwII (Atomic bomb development, How bad the us goverment was for supporting The exiled nationalists)

Something about the Chinese special forces and police and how competent and brave they are

jeez. they needed to rub it in hard.
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