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What should be done?

Forget climate change and COVID, we need scientists to make better sperm!
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6%
Colonize Mars
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Abolish plastic
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11%
Abolish the obese
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4%
Encourage Proud Boys to masturbate more often (seriously, it would take the edge off)
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22%
Clone babies
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6%
Clone babies, but only girls
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2%
Build human-like androids
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4%
Call the Hoff!
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11%
Nothing, this is the best news I've heard all year
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Total votes : 90

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:50 am

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Yes. What else has been going inside us?

It haunts me too.
What do you suggest should be done about it? What can we do?


Freeze your sperm while it's still good.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:51 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Adamede wrote:Nope. But misanthropes are humans, no humans, no annoying misanthropes.


You still don't get it. What you just said is misanthropic.

Not saying I disagree, blight on an otherwise delightful planet etc, but there's an easier way not to see posts!

Let me dumb it down for you then.

It’s a fucking joke. I’m not serious. I don’t want humans to go extinct.

That get through?

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Postby Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:52 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:You piss in your little pen with about 3 others and probably your own lamb? I pity you and your whole species :(

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

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I've been to many sheep farms, cherry picking photographs won't do anything. I've seen it with MY OWN EYES! There may very well be "free range" farms, but the vast majority are industrialised.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:53 am

Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I wouldn't be so sure about that.

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I've been to many sheep farms, cherry picking photographs won't do anything. I've seen it with MY OWN EYES! There may very well be "free range" farms, but the vast majority are industrialised.


I don't live in a farm.
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Postby Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:53 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:It haunts me too.
What do you suggest should be done about it? What can we do?


Freeze your sperm while it's still good.

I meant what do we do about the companies that poison us?
"As long as hierarchy persists, as long as domination organises humanity around a system of elites, the project of dominating nature will continue to exist and inevitably lead our planet to ecological extinction." - Murray Bookchin

"The majority cannot reason; it has no judgement. It has always placed its destiny in the hands of others; it has followed its leaders even into destruction. The mass has always opposed, condemned, and hounded the innovator, the pioneer of a new truth." - Emma Goldman

"Because capitalism views the world through appropriation and the utilisation of property, observation is without ability and audacity, and knowledge is bounded by particular interests and social prejudices." - Juan Posadas

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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:54 am

Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Luckily I'm a sheep 8)

A domestic sheep that the capitaliists only see as a commodity and nothing more.

Non-capitalist societies didn’t exactly see them any differently.

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Postby Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:54 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:I've been to many sheep farms, cherry picking photographs won't do anything. I've seen it with MY OWN EYES! There may very well be "free range" farms, but the vast majority are industrialised.


I don't live in a farm.

Ah, so you're wild then?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:56 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:It haunts me too.
What do you suggest should be done about it? What can we do?


Freeze your sperm while it's still good.


How do we even know it's still good? It may be too late already, and that's just the sperm. How do you know the shit we ate isn't gonna give us full on cancer someday? How do you know your blood itself isn't poisoned? This shit is scary.
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Postby Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:57 am

Adamede wrote:
Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:A domestic sheep that the capitaliists only see as a commodity and nothing more.

Non-capitalist societies didn’t exactly see them any differently.

Deformed bureaucratic socialist states are essentially built on the same practices that liberal democratic and fascist states are, so they are included in that.
"As long as hierarchy persists, as long as domination organises humanity around a system of elites, the project of dominating nature will continue to exist and inevitably lead our planet to ecological extinction." - Murray Bookchin

"The majority cannot reason; it has no judgement. It has always placed its destiny in the hands of others; it has followed its leaders even into destruction. The mass has always opposed, condemned, and hounded the innovator, the pioneer of a new truth." - Emma Goldman

"Because capitalism views the world through appropriation and the utilisation of property, observation is without ability and audacity, and knowledge is bounded by particular interests and social prejudices." - Juan Posadas

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:57 am

And if trends continue past 2045, people will be producing anti-sperm, causing dangerous annihilation reactions in their testicles.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:58 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Freeze your sperm while it's still good.


How do we even know it's still good? It may be too late already, and that's just the sperm. How do you know the shit we ate isn't gonna give us full on cancer someday? How do you know your blood itself isn't poisoned? This shit is scary.

You come into contact with carcinogens every day. Just a fact of life. Some of its man made shit, others are natural.

Also you can get sperm counts done.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:59 am

Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Freeze your sperm while it's still good.

I meant what do we do about the companies that poison us?

Food purity laws.
Purchase only organic products
Know the supply train your food comes from

If electromagnetic radiation becomes the issue, we are screwed.
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Postby Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:00 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Freeze your sperm while it's still good.


How do we even know it's still good? It may be too late already, and that's just the sperm. How do you know the shit we ate isn't gonna give us full on cancer someday? How do you know your blood itself isn't poisoned? This shit is scary.

Fuck I want a commune rn. A self-sufficient organic community/home grown plant-based diet.
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"The majority cannot reason; it has no judgement. It has always placed its destiny in the hands of others; it has followed its leaders even into destruction. The mass has always opposed, condemned, and hounded the innovator, the pioneer of a new truth." - Emma Goldman

"Because capitalism views the world through appropriation and the utilisation of property, observation is without ability and audacity, and knowledge is bounded by particular interests and social prejudices." - Juan Posadas

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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:01 am

Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:
Adamede wrote:Non-capitalist societies didn’t exactly see them any differently.

Deformed bureaucratic socialist states are essentially built on the same practices that liberal democratic and fascist states are, so they are included in that.

How convenient.

Regardless, livestock were, and contour to be seen as, resources to be used for their meat, hides, and milk since we first domesticated them back in the late Stone Age and Bronze Age. It’s not depend on any economic or governmental system.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:01 am

It sounds to me that simply being healthier is the solution, considering unhealthy habits are cited as the issue.

So, it's not nearly as apocalyptic as it sounds. I know plenty of people who have 4-5 kids (I am Catholic, after all).
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Postby Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:02 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:I meant what do we do about the companies that poison us?

Food purity laws.
Purchase only organic products
Know the supply train your food comes from

If electromagnetic radiation becomes the issue, we are screwed.

Fish literally contain mercury and nuclear waste.

And like "organic" labled products and laws mean anything.
"As long as hierarchy persists, as long as domination organises humanity around a system of elites, the project of dominating nature will continue to exist and inevitably lead our planet to ecological extinction." - Murray Bookchin

"The majority cannot reason; it has no judgement. It has always placed its destiny in the hands of others; it has followed its leaders even into destruction. The mass has always opposed, condemned, and hounded the innovator, the pioneer of a new truth." - Emma Goldman

"Because capitalism views the world through appropriation and the utilisation of property, observation is without ability and audacity, and knowledge is bounded by particular interests and social prejudices." - Juan Posadas

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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:03 am

Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Food purity laws.
Purchase only organic products
Know the supply train your food comes from

If electromagnetic radiation becomes the issue, we are screwed.

Fish literally contain mercury and nuclear waste.

And like "organic" labled products and laws mean anything.

Never eat again then I guess.

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Postby Lanoraie II » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:04 am

This is something that should startle people and be talked about more often, but we all know why it isn't. It's not like this hasn't been known for a few years now, but in the female-oriented society that is modern day America, men and their health is treated as second class. This should TERRIFY people, because it's not just affecting sperm count, but also men's health as a whole. This, on top of phytoestrogens being everywhere and in everything, is a public health and safety risk and shouldn't be treated as a nothingburger in any capacity. But it is.

I weep for this modern society that has rejected the sanctity of the natural environment in favor of substitute chemicals and hormones that are literally destroying our minds. (And before someone thinks this is me saying I hate modern medicine and pills; that's not what this statement is declaring, so please do not irritate me by replying with your anti-medication BS, thanks.)
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Postby Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:04 am

Adamede wrote:
Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:Deformed bureaucratic socialist states are essentially built on the same practices that liberal democratic and fascist states are, so they are included in that.

How convenient.

Regardless, livestock were, and contour to be seen as, resources to be used for their meat, hides, and milk since we first domesticated them back in the late Stone Age and Bronze Age. It’s not depend on any economic or governmental system.

We know better now, but they just don't wanna care.
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"The majority cannot reason; it has no judgement. It has always placed its destiny in the hands of others; it has followed its leaders even into destruction. The mass has always opposed, condemned, and hounded the innovator, the pioneer of a new truth." - Emma Goldman

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:04 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Freeze your sperm while it's still good.


How do we even know it's still good? It may be too late already, and that's just the sperm. How do you know the shit we ate isn't gonna give us full on cancer someday? How do you know your blood itself isn't poisoned? This shit is scary.


I guess eat healthier stuff, exercise, cut out unhealthy habits.

There's no need to freak out over things you can't know. Just do the best possible things for yourself in the meantime.
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Postby Lanoraie II » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:05 am

Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Food purity laws.
Purchase only organic products
Know the supply train your food comes from

If electromagnetic radiation becomes the issue, we are screwed.

Fish literally contain mercury and nuclear waste.

And like "organic" labled products and laws mean anything.


I'd say grow your own vegetables in your yard if you have one, but honestly that will not help fix the elephant in the room which is people preferring processed foods over whole ones, because it's convenient and cheap. Oh, and the meat industry. Just...the meat industry.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:06 am

So, has there been more research or discussion on this topic? Like, demographics is the single most influential thing driving global geopolitics, more influential than either nuclear weapons or oil. With the major powers, most importantly China and Europe, already at the brink of a catastrophic aging crisis of shrinking domestic markets and tax base and very little economic growth and a pension bomb burst, I feel like this issue would've be taken much more seriously by governments and other institutions.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:06 am

Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:
Adamede wrote:How convenient.

Regardless, livestock were, and contour to be seen as, resources to be used for their meat, hides, and milk since we first domesticated them back in the late Stone Age and Bronze Age. It’s not depend on any economic or governmental system.

We know better now, but they just don't wanna care.

They’re still animals. People are still going to eat them. At most they just need to be raised differently.

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Postby Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:08 am

Lanoraie II wrote:
Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:Fish literally contain mercury and nuclear waste.

And like "organic" labled products and laws mean anything.


I'd say grow your own vegetables in your yard if you have one, but honestly that will not help fix the elephant in the room which is people preferring processed foods over whole ones, because it's convenient and cheap. Oh, and the meat industry. Just...the meat industry.

Exactly, that's why we need action to reform the school curriculums to teach people what's happening rather than biased appeal-to-tradition BS that's currently being taught, especially in the US.
"As long as hierarchy persists, as long as domination organises humanity around a system of elites, the project of dominating nature will continue to exist and inevitably lead our planet to ecological extinction." - Murray Bookchin

"The majority cannot reason; it has no judgement. It has always placed its destiny in the hands of others; it has followed its leaders even into destruction. The mass has always opposed, condemned, and hounded the innovator, the pioneer of a new truth." - Emma Goldman

"Because capitalism views the world through appropriation and the utilisation of property, observation is without ability and audacity, and knowledge is bounded by particular interests and social prejudices." - Juan Posadas

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Postby Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:09 am

Adamede wrote:
Posadas-Bookchin-Goldman Thought wrote:We know better now, but they just don't wanna care.

They’re still animals. People are still going to eat them. At most they just need to be raised differently.

If we can get people on cultured meat at least, then that wouldn't be the case.
"As long as hierarchy persists, as long as domination organises humanity around a system of elites, the project of dominating nature will continue to exist and inevitably lead our planet to ecological extinction." - Murray Bookchin

"The majority cannot reason; it has no judgement. It has always placed its destiny in the hands of others; it has followed its leaders even into destruction. The mass has always opposed, condemned, and hounded the innovator, the pioneer of a new truth." - Emma Goldman

"Because capitalism views the world through appropriation and the utilisation of property, observation is without ability and audacity, and knowledge is bounded by particular interests and social prejudices." - Juan Posadas

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