by Lutore » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:02 pm
by Arcturus Novus » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:13 pm
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by The Islands of Versilia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:17 pm
by Nilokeras » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:18 pm
Lutore wrote:Sex is based on your reproductive functions while gender is the characteristics of masculinity and femininity as pertained to societal norms.
by Auzkhia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:20 pm
by Kowani » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:21 pm
by Lutore » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:25 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Okay, I'm confused. In advocating for gender abolition, are you saying people should define themselves as their assigned sex at birth, and that presentation/behavior/etc. should not be gendered?
by Arcturus Novus » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:25 pm
Auzkhia wrote:As a trans woman,
Lutore wrote:Arcturus Novus wrote:Okay, I'm confused. In advocating for gender abolition, are you saying people should define themselves as their assigned sex at birth, and that presentation/behavior/etc. should not be gendered?
Not necessarily, socially I would argue most would just be seen as people and identify as people rather than as a man or a woman. However, when it comes to health and science and going to the doctors they would diagnose and or treat your disease or problem based on your sex due to the differences in males and females. Meaning sex would still exist but socially wouldn't mean much. Medically and scientifically and in similar other fields, it would be more prevalent in studies and the like.
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:25 pm
by Utopian States of America » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:28 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Can we abolish race as a concept?
by Auzkhia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:30 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Can we abolish race as a concept?
by Arcturus Novus » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:32 pm
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Nilokeras » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:32 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Also, biological sex is complicated and complex, especially when we talk about intersex people. Like, I do not know my chromosomes, and that does not matter, even some people can be surprised. I know people who were assigned male at birth but turned out to have two X chromosomes, either just that or something like XXY. Most intersex people I know are also transgender or non-binary as well, and have transitioned away from their assigned gender at birth.
by Utopian States of America » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:36 pm
by Lutore » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:52 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Auzkhia wrote:As a trans woman,
I think you mean, As a trans woman,Lutore wrote:
Not necessarily, socially I would argue most would just be seen as people and identify as people rather than as a man or a woman. However, when it comes to health and science and going to the doctors they would diagnose and or treat your disease or problem based on your sex due to the differences in males and females. Meaning sex would still exist but socially wouldn't mean much. Medically and scientifically and in similar other fields, it would be more prevalent in studies and the like.
I'd argue that a lot of people, especially trans people, find a lot of comfort in their gender though. It's important to who we are, to our personal stories. I'm not just a person, I'm a woman - more importantly, I'm a trans woman. I don't see myself ever identifying otherwise.
by Atheris » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:58 pm
by USS Monitor » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:08 pm
by Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:15 pm
Lutore wrote:Arcturus Novus wrote:I think you mean, As a trans woman,
I'd argue that a lot of people, especially trans people, find a lot of comfort in their gender though. It's important to who we are, to our personal stories. I'm not just a person, I'm a woman - more importantly, I'm a trans woman. I don't see myself ever identifying otherwise.
But you'd agree telling someone they should act a certain way based on their sex is wrong right? Because that's the main belief. Gender is just the characteristics of masculine or feminine traits and gender abolitionism says a "biological man" or "biological female" shouldn't have to act feminine or masculine just because of their biological sex
by Xanthal » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:15 pm
by Arcturus Novus » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:16 pm
Lutore wrote:Arcturus Novus wrote:I think you mean, As a trans woman,
I'd argue that a lot of people, especially trans people, find a lot of comfort in their gender though. It's important to who we are, to our personal stories. I'm not just a person, I'm a woman - more importantly, I'm a trans woman. I don't see myself ever identifying otherwise.
But you'd agree telling someone they should act a certain way based on their sex is wrong right? Because that's the main belief. Gender is just the characteristics of masculine or feminine traits and gender abolitionism says a "biological man" or "biological female" shouldn't have to act feminine or masculine just because of their biological sex
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:18 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Can we abolish race as a concept?
Auzkhia wrote:Arcturus Novus wrote:I think you mean, As a trans woman,
Ha nice, though like her, I'm probably a lesbian now, it's complicated, I just say queer. All I know is that girls and enbies are hot, don't really find men that attractive, except maybe if they're really fem or some fictional ones.
by Disgraces » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:20 pm
by Lutore » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:27 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Lutore wrote:
But you'd agree telling someone they should act a certain way based on their sex is wrong right? Because that's the main belief. Gender is just the characteristics of masculine or feminine traits and gender abolitionism says a "biological man" or "biological female" shouldn't have to act feminine or masculine just because of their biological sex
Okay, I think(?) I get your point now. I agree that no one should be confined to acting, dressing, speaking a sort of way based on circumstances they never controlled. But conversely, I think it’s perfectly fine if you wanna be a man, a woman, both, neither, all of the above.
by Xanthal » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:29 pm
Disgraces wrote:The words gender and sex were separated by a crazy scientist. A womanly man is still a man. A manly woman is still a woman.
by SD_Film Artists » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:29 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:. I'm not just a person, I'm a woman - more importantly, I'm a trans woman. I don't see myself ever identifying otherwise.
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