Should Hunting for Sport be Banned?

[Mozambiki]

If you wish, I can even link you guided bow hunts for dangerous game, if you wish to truly prove yourself the better.

No need, I was just stating what I think about trophy hunting of animals that I really find majestic and I can't just understand why would people do it. It's not really a test of skill, it's just to showboat. No real purpose.

I'm not against hunting at all, I've hunted before, always for food/ controlling the population. I just dislike trophy hunting, not saying I wish it banned (I've corrected my first statement), because it really depends on the reality of the ecosystem and the nation's wildlife programs, and many other factors.

But as long as it doesn't disrupt the ecosystem by hunting more than you should it's not really needed any ban as the reality is more complex than one might think, specially in Africa where we have a lot of game reserves and parks that depend on this to get their funds for example. It's just not my cup of tea, and I'm personally against it. And I don't find it ethical. I hope I can get my point across. Sorry but English is not my main language. Sometimes it's harder to get a point across.

[Quartia and Karafuto]

I'd absolutely support a WA resolution to ban hunting for reasons other than food.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

im saying that you really like to hunt

Huh.

Clearly something was lost in transition there....

As for liking to hunt, yes. And....?

I will pick this up. My justification is that you have hit right on the thread subject.

You eat, or sell/gift to friends you care about, the meat of every animal you kill?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

I'd absolutely support a WA resolution to ban hunting for reasons other than food.

The WA is an "organization" so spineless it gave in to threats of a lawsuit from the actual UN.

And anyway, I disagree. I support responsible hunting of species declared noxious by a science-based national authority. Some deviation from that, under supervision of the national authority, for state/provincial authorities come to think of it.

Also fishing. You really want to ban recreational no-kill fishing?

[Kathol Rift]

I posted a quote relevant to this a while back here, lemme find it... Ah, there it is.

Oh, nice. Why not just tag the animal instead of killing it then?

Because the meat tastes very good, honestly.

Also, I'm not entirely certain if it's possible to get close enough to a wild bull elk to tag it without being noticed. I'll be sure to try next time I get a chance, though.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Huh.

Clearly something was lost in transition there....

As for liking to hunt, yes. And....?

do you it recreationally are for selling meat

All the above and so much more.

For I have gunned down steel cowboys at the drop of a hat.
Then before you know it shot clay pigeons flying buzzing past.
I've shot in times of peace, and in times of war.
But never once, was shooting ever a chore.
I've shot both for pleasure and for sport.
And I'll still be out shooting, even if it gets banned by the courts.

Huh.

Clearly something was lost in transition there....

As for liking to hunt, yes. And....?

I will pick this up. My justification is that you have hit right on the thread subject.

You eat, or sell/gift to friends you care about, the meat of every animal you kill?

Hunting animal?

Yes, absolutely.

However, not every animal I've killed has been fit for human consumption.

If you wish, I can even link you guided bow hunts for dangerous game, if you wish to truly prove yourself the better.

No need, I was just stating what I think about trophy hunting of animals that I really find majestic and I can't just understand why would people do it. It's not really a test of skill, it's just to showboat. No real purpose.

I'm not against hunting at all, I've hunted before, always for food/ controlling the population. I just dislike trophy hunting, not saying I wish it banned (I've corrected my first statement), because it really depends on the reality of the ecosystem and the nation's wildlife programs, and many other factors.

But as long as it doesn't disrupt the ecosystem by hunting more than you should it's not really needed any ban as the reality is more complex than one might think, specially in Africa where we have a lot of game reserves and parks that depend on this to get their funds for example. It's just not my cup of tea, and I'm personally against it. And I don't find it ethical. I hope I can get my point across. Sorry but English is not my main language. Sometimes it's harder to get a point across.

No need to apologize, you did very well.

[Greater Cesnica]

I'd absolutely support a WA resolution to ban hunting for reasons other than food.

The WA is an "organization" so spineless it gave in to threats of a lawsuit from the actual UN.

Don't pretend you know anything about the circumstances regarding that. Implying you wouldn't obey a cease-and-desist from the actual UN either.

[Ethel mermania]

The WA is an "organization" so spineless it gave in to threats of a lawsuit from the actual UN.

Don't pretend you know anything about the circumstances regarding that. Implying you wouldn't obey a cease-and-desist from the actual UN either.

I wouldn't, but I am not worth the time sueing. Max probably would win, but how much would it cost him?

[Greater Cesnica]

Don't pretend you know anything about the circumstances regarding that. Implying you wouldn't obey a cease-and-desist from the actual UN either.

I wouldn't, but I am not worth the time sueing. Max probably would win, but how much would it cost him?

Enough that the cost-benefit calculation wouldn't justify fighting it.

[The New California Republic]

In england, nobody is allowed guns.

Just not true.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

In england, nobody is allowed guns.

Just not true.

Yeah you can have guns for hunting but not self defence for some reason...

[The New California Republic]

Just not true.

Yeah you can have guns for hunting but not self defence for some reason...

That very good reason being Dunblane.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Yeah you can have guns for hunting but not self defence for some reason...

That very good reason being Dunblane.

So someone can’t shoot up a school with a hunting rifle?
Also what percentage of British gun violence is Dunblane?
Is it more than all the people killed by burglars?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Oh, nice. Why not just tag the animal instead of killing it then?

Because the meat tastes very good, honestly.

That's pathetic. Do you eat the whole animal yourself, or do you distribute the meat to friends?

Also, I'm not entirely certain if it's possible to get close enough to a wild bull elk to tag it without being noticed. I'll be sure to try next time I get a chance, though.

How about a harmless laser device. Challenge yourself and set the laser gun to 30 metres. You do it, you don't, either way you go home happy with a good day's sport. Or if you get tired with that, make it up to 1200 metres or whatever you consider awesome marksman range.

I'm weird. I only learned to drive 5 years ago, yet I'm 65. But being weird, I have some insight into driving cars and the outcome of driving a car. Driving a car is a whole lot of logical skill-application shit, which I must admit I still enjoy (I try to be the best driver possible), but motivating that is (a) not dying, and (b) not killing anyone else. I have rock solid concentration (even when I'm drunk, I try to avoid that) because life and death is a huge fucking deal to me.

Now I understand the urge to own guns. But I resist it. I see it as like having a car to drive, except that owning a gun has no positive purpose (as having a car clearly does). I see from having a car that having a gun invites one to make varied uses of it. The inherent power of the thing invites you to use it in every way you can.

Today it's an elk. Tomorrow ... when you have lovingly cleaned it and stored it in a concealed cabinet above your bed ... tomorrow you may shoot a homeless person whose nest-making in your shrubbery, you mistook for a home-invader setting up a machine-gun nest.

No really. I've seen horror movies where cars where used as weapons. They forestalled me from ever getting a driver's license but eventually I had to. Those movies influenced me, badly, so now occasionally it crosses my mind to ram some fucker who was rude with the right-of-way. But don't worry, I 'think' a lot of things I would never ever do.

I can source it if you want, but the US has terribly high rates of gun homicide. Homicide overall really, but particularly gun homicide. Ask yourself if that might have something to do with detective movies, then westerns, then three decades of movies with lots of other stuff but sudden plot twists where someone gets shot and dies. Ask yourself if the "gun culture" you are proud to be a part of, was not so much born with the Second Amendment, as with entertainment which didn't care a shit about human or animal life, but just wanted to push the "DEATH BAD" button in your brain ... and your father's brain ... and your grandfather's.

Gun culture is a heritage of dying patriarchal culture. Abandon the culture, you might as well be dead. All good men must kill someone, and if the sissy trannie feministy culture gets you in its clutches, then do the only honorable thing: shoot yourself in the head.

Elk are fucking huge. Do you eat the meat yourself, or do you distribute it to friends?

[The New California Republic]

That very good reason being Dunblane.

So someone can’t shoot up a school with a hunting rifle?

Not as easily as with semi-automatic pistols, no.

Also what percentage of British gun violence is Dunblane?

Irrelevant.

Is it more than all the people killed by burglars?

Irrelevant.

[Kubra]

ok ,we should do that, i mean that we should be safe

And you trust the companies who torture their animals and pump a myriad of hormones, antibiotics, and other such chemicals into live animals, who plump them up and keep them in crowded pens more?

Well yes, because when their shit ends up unsafe for consumption they can be sued. And in any case, food safety standards have generally improved the safety of certain foodstuffs. Cruelty of conditions aside nowadays grocery store pork can be cooked medium, you couldn't do that decades ago and you sure as shit should *never* do that with wild boar. You're cookin' that through and through.

[Ors Might]

So someone can’t shoot up a school with a hunting rifle?

Not as easily as with automatic pistols, no.

Also what percentage of British gun violence is Dunblane?

Irrelevant.

Is it more than all the people killed by burglars?

Irrelevant.

Y’all English lads had automatic pistols?

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

This reminds me of the time a Romanian flipped out on me for talking about boar hunters not claiming the meat. It took me like 30 minutes to get him to understand that when you kill 60 boar it just isn't practical to spend the time and money to gather, dress, butcher, inspect, and transport them. Oh and before yell flip out, boar are invasive and cause billions in damage to crops. They drive native species into extinction, fundamentally alter the landscape, and have even destroyed native American archeological sites such as burial grounds.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

That very good reason being Dunblane.

So someone can’t shoot up a school with a hunting rifle?
Also what percentage of British gun violence is Dunblane?
Is it more than all the people killed by burglars?

You go at it with New Cali, but I just have to say Champagne Socialist Sharifistan is a quite annoying nation name. Have you considered Bunga Prince Snorkel instead?

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

So someone can’t shoot up a school with a hunting rifle?

Not as easily as with automatic pistols, no.

Also what percentage of British gun violence is Dunblane?

Irrelevant.

Is it more than all the people killed by burglars?

Irrelevant.

So you’re saying a gun is useless against a burglar with a knife?
They probably kill more than one school shooting.

I never said automatic pistols should be legal but self-defence should be a legit reason to buy a shotgun.

[Greater Cesnica]

Yeah you can have guns for hunting but not self defence for some reason...

That very good reason being Dunblane.

To be fair having them for self defence is fine in Northern Ireland. Also, if someone wants to do another Dunblane, nothing's truly stopping them.

[Greater Cesnica]

So someone can’t shoot up a school with a hunting rifle?

Not as easily as with automatic pistols, no.

An automatic pistol was not used.

Not as easily as with automatic pistols, no.


Irrelevant.


Irrelevant.

Y’all English lads had automatic pistols?

No. An automatic pistol was not used in Dunblane.

[Adamede]

Depends on the hunt. Sport hunting say white tail deer or even animals like elk is very different from sport hunting elephants.

Anyway from the sounds of it Wisconsin should issue tags for wolves next time.

[Ors Might]

Not as easily as with automatic pistols, no.

An automatic pistol was not used.

Y’all English lads had automatic pistols?

No. An automatic pistol was not used in Dunblane.

So this is a case of someone meaning semi-automatic? Lame. For a moment I thought English boys at least used to be cool.

[Adamede]

That very good reason being Dunblane.

To be fair having them for self defence is fine in Northern Ireland. Also, if someone wants to do another Dunblane, nothing's truly stopping them.

And they can always do a repeat of the University of Texas Tower shooting. Guy used only a hunting rifle and was still able to kill 18 people