Should Hunting for Sport be Banned?

[Greater Cesnica]

This is exactly the quote i'd expect from someone who's flag is a man in a mask holding a crap ton of bullets. In england, nobody is allowed guns, because of this, we don't have school shootings, church shootings, etc. It's the kind of people, like you, that believe hunting should be allowed and have multiple guns, that do things like this.

You clearly don't know your own history if you think "nobody is allowed gun" in cherry ol England lad.

In fact, I'm jelly that devices that reduce gunshot DB's and protect ones hearing are almost mandatory and openly accepted while here they are heavily frowned upon. As for the rest, once again you need to crack open a history book before commenting, otherwise someone more educated then you on the subject might point and laugh at the fact that you are trying to ban "assault knives" as heavy gun control clearly hasn't worked to curb actual crime.

Fun fact: after England's draconian gun control measures, knife crime went up. Gun crime still occurs. It's almost as if gun control doesn't work, as a determined criminal WILL get their hands on firearms. 3D printers? CNC mills? The dark web? You can make slam-fire rifles and shotguns at home with less than 20 dollars of materials from a hardware store.

[WeeTurds]

Humans, just like many other animals, are hunters. Humanity actually has a much more advanced sense of coexistence with other animals in the sense that we allow other animals to live near our 'territory' without attacking them, something most predatory animals do. People like to pretend that we are above other animals and predators in every sense but in reality that's only true of the mind, we are still natural predators; deny it as much as you want your ancestors hunted and killed for food, and we have needs very similar to the rest of the Animal Kingdom. To abandon the natural desire to hunt is only further alienating us from the rest of the Animal Kingdom so when our Big Bad Walls of Civilisation crumble we'll be that much more at a disadvantage. Hunting remains a very important skill for people to have considering all of this that we have now isn't likely going to last forever and in many parts of the world there are civilisations that still hunt and gather for their supplies because they have not implemented animal husbandry.

Humans shouldn't hunt animals into extinction, but we wouldn't be the first to do it and we certainly won't be the last, throughout history there have been animals killed off by other animals and that has been acknowledged by Charles Darwin in his theory of Natural Selection. If we want to avoid causing certain animals to go extinct then just don't hunt those animals, there are many other animals with large populations that can be hunted and still be in abundance because they have come to be excellent at prospering.

Yes, but we kill animals like cows and sheep and pigs in ways that do not affect their population. Most farms are fair to the animals, giving them enough space and food to live well. We don't need to hunt anymore. We can grow and farm enough food sustainably so that we can live without hunting. Hunting for sport is merely killing other animals for fun, which, as I said before, is something that no species has ever, or should ever, do. As I said before, you can tell people not to kill certain types of animals, but that will not happen. Just telling people not to do something will not stop them from doing it.

[Paddy O Fernature]

:meh:
it is unethical and should be banned, you should not commit murder for recreation purposes.

Umm, you cannot murder an animal. Murder is a charge for the malicious unlawful taking of a human life.
You say it is unethical, I say it isn't and no it shouldn't be banned.

Now now GD, you know full well that at any second the local police are going to arrest me for committing felony vehicular homicide last night on my way into work when I ran down that poor Racoon who decided to jaywalk across the highway.

You clearly don't know your own history if you think "nobody is allowed gun" in cherry ol England lad.

In fact, I'm jelly that devices that reduce gunshot DB's and protect ones hearing are almost mandatory and openly accepted while here they are heavily frowned upon. As for the rest, once again you need to crack open a history book before commenting, otherwise someone more educated then you on the subject might point and laugh at the fact that you are trying to ban "assault knives" as heavy gun control clearly hasn't worked to curb actual crime.

Fun fact: after England's draconian gun control measures, knife crime went up. Gun crime still occurs. It's almost as if gun control doesn't work, as a determined criminal WILL get their hands on firearms. 3D printers? CNC mills? The dark web? You can make slam-fire rifles and shotguns at home with less than 20 dollars of materials from a hardware store.

Indeed and well said.

[The Two Jerseys]

Hunting in large numbers will reduce diversity, and occasionally make species extinct. Northern white rhino, Gorilla etc etc etc. Any change to animal numbers will disrupt the entire food chain, leading to animals being forced to change how they live, or they will die, because you have hunted their food. IN CONCLUSION: HUNTING FOR SPORT IS BAD

Then don't overhunt.

And besides, deer are not at all at threat of extinction. Quite the opposite actually where I live, they're overpopulated to the point where they're causing real environmental issues.

I really don't get why some people seem to think that hunting season is like a Rambo movie...

[WeeTurds]

This is exactly the quote i'd expect from someone who's flag is a man in a mask holding a crap ton of bullets. In england, nobody is allowed guns, because of this, we don't have school shootings, church shootings, etc. It's the kind of people, like you, that believe hunting should be allowed and have multiple guns, that do things like this.

You clearly don't know your own history if you think "nobody is allowed gun" in cherry ol England lad.

In fact, I'm jelly that devices that reduce gunshot DB's and protect ones hearing are almost mandatory and openly accepted while here they are heavily frowned upon. As for the rest, once again you need to crack open a history book before commenting, otherwise someone more educated then you on the subject might point and laugh at the fact that you are trying to ban "assault knives" as heavy gun control clearly hasn't worked to curb actual crime.

You're literally not allowed to carry a gun in England. Clearly you need to actually check your opinions before commenting. Also, with guns come mass murder, as you can fire multiple bullets quickly. Yes, knife crime still exists, but manslaughter and homicide DOES NOT happen as much as in america, where you can literally carry a gun about.

[Greater Cesnica]

Most farms are fair to the animals, giving them enough space and food to live well. We don't need to hunt anymore. We can grow and farm enough food sustainably so that we can live without hunting.

Bullshit. Most industrial farms and most brand-name meat companies profit from animal abuse. The conditions are appalling. Their fate is far worse than that from a bullet. Plus, all the hormones and other questionable alternatives not only hurt the animal while it's living, but can pose a detriment to the human consumers too.

Hunting for sport is merely killing other animals for fun, which, as I said before, is something that no species has ever, or should ever, do.

Again, animals DO hunt other animals for fun.

[Salus Maior]

Yes, but we kill animals like cows and sheep and pigs in ways that do not affect their population. Most farms are fair to the animals, giving them enough space and food to live well. We don't need to hunt anymore. We can grow and farm enough food sustainably so that we can live without hunting. Hunting for sport is merely killing other animals for fun, which, as I said before, is something that no species has ever, or should ever, do. As I said before, you can tell people not to kill certain types of animals, but that will not happen. Just telling people not to do something will not stop them from doing it.

Hunting is actually more ethical for both environmental reasons as well as quality of life for the animal.

Also, it's factually untrue that humans are the only animals to kill for recreation. There are a number of species which are "surplus killers", which means they kill more than they eat, i.e they kill for fun. Cats are the most well known of these sorts of animals.

Also, if someone hunts an animal they're not supposed to, we can just throw the book at them. Which we already do with poachers.

[Grinning Dragon]

Umm, you cannot murder an animal. Murder is a charge for the malicious unlawful taking of a human life.
You say it is unethical, I say it isn't and no it shouldn't be banned.

Now now GD, you know full well that at any second the local police are going to arrest me for committing felony vehicular homicide last night on my way into work when I ran down that poor Racoon who decided to jaywalk across the highway.

Fun fact: after England's draconian gun control measures, knife crime went up. Gun crime still occurs. It's almost as if gun control doesn't work, as a determined criminal WILL get their hands on firearms. 3D printers? CNC mills? The dark web? You can make slam-fire rifles and shotguns at home with less than 20 dollars of materials from a hardware store.

Indeed and well said.

Fucking raccoons. Lil trash bandits love shitting in my yard and making a mess of things back there. I've dispatched a half dozen or so over the years.

[Greater Cesnica]

You clearly don't know your own history if you think "nobody is allowed gun" in cherry ol England lad.

In fact, I'm jelly that devices that reduce gunshot DB's and protect ones hearing are almost mandatory and openly accepted while here they are heavily frowned upon. As for the rest, once again you need to crack open a history book before commenting, otherwise someone more educated then you on the subject might point and laugh at the fact that you are trying to ban "assault knives" as heavy gun control clearly hasn't worked to curb actual crime.

You're literally not allowed to carry a gun in England. Clearly you need to actually check your opinions before commenting. Also, with guns come mass murder, as you can fire multiple bullets quickly. Yes, knife crime still exists, but manslaughter and homicide DOES NOT happen as much as in america, where you can literally carry a gun about.

You can carry a gun in places in England, and you can own firearms. As for 'multiple bullets quickly', those guns can be manufactured at home with fair ease or obtained easily through illegal sources. As for Northern Ireland? You can carry firearms in public there just fine.

[Ifreann]

Meat isn't a necessary part of the human diet. We can, generally speaking, live without it.

Yes, it is physically possible to live without meat, but many people are not in the situation to switch over to a healthy complete vegan diet. Thus, for those people, they still need meat to fill up the gaps.

Yes, lots of individuals can't practically have a totally vegetarian/vegan diet, but with determined large-scale collective effort we could mostly overcome those challenges.

To be clear, I'm not casting aspersions on people who eat meat. I'm saying that since we do accept animal farming, it doesn't make sense to then balk at hunting.

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Exactly, killing animals for fun should not be allowed. Animals don't kill us for fun, so why should we kill them?

I don't think that it makes much sense for humans to model our behaviour on that of other animal species.

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Animals don't kill us for fun

They often do.

Well. Not that often.

[WeeTurds]

Most farms are fair to the animals, giving them enough space and food to live well. We don't need to hunt anymore. We can grow and farm enough food sustainably so that we can live without hunting.

Bullshit. Most industrial farms and most brand-name meat companies profit from animal abuse. The conditions are appalling. Their fate is far worse than that from a bullet. Plus, all the hormones and other questionable alternatives not only hurt the animal while it's living, but can pose a detriment to the human consumers too.

Hunting for sport is merely killing other animals for fun, which, as I said before, is something that no species has ever, or should ever, do.

Again, animals DO hunt other animals for fun.

Sure, in america, animal farms are often unethical. In England, you cannot sell meat at a shop unless you have had your farm approved by the government. If your farm isn't approved, you can't sell your meat. Animals don't kill for fun. They kill for food, and for territory. If you are including humans in this, then yes, Animals do kill for fun. But without humans in this equation, animals don't kill for fun.

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

Says you.

Others I'm sure will disagree.

This is exactly the quote i'd expect from someone who's flag is a man in a mask holding a crap ton of bullets. In england, nobody is allowed guns, because of this, we don't have school shootings, church shootings, etc. It's the kind of people, like you, that believe hunting should be allowed and have multiple guns, that do things like this.

You know I would argue with you but somebody who thinks that everybody who owns guns is a terrorist is to far gone to be saved

[Salus Maior]

Animals don't kill for fun. They kill for food, and for territory. If you are including humans in this, then yes, Animals do kill for fun. But without humans in this equation, animals don't kill for fun.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[The Two Jerseys]

Bullshit. Most industrial farms and most brand-name meat companies profit from animal abuse. The conditions are appalling. Their fate is far worse than that from a bullet. Plus, all the hormones and other questionable alternatives not only hurt the animal while it's living, but can pose a detriment to the human consumers too.

Again, animals DO hunt other animals for fun.

Sure, in america, animal farms are often unethical. In England, you cannot sell meat at a shop unless you have had your farm approved by the government. If your farm isn't approved, you can't sell your meat. Animals don't kill for fun. They kill for food, and for territory. If you are including humans in this, then yes, Animals do kill for fun. But without humans in this equation, animals don't kill for fun.

One fox is not going to eat dozens of chickens in one sitting.

[Ifreann]

Bullshit. Most industrial farms and most brand-name meat companies profit from animal abuse. The conditions are appalling. Their fate is far worse than that from a bullet. Plus, all the hormones and other questionable alternatives not only hurt the animal while it's living, but can pose a detriment to the human consumers too.

Again, animals DO hunt other animals for fun.

Sure, in america, animal farms are often unethical. In England, you cannot sell meat at a shop unless you have had your farm approved by the government. If your farm isn't approved, you can't sell your meat. Animals don't kill for fun. They kill for food, and for territory. If you are including humans in this, then yes, Animals do kill for fun. But without humans in this equation, animals don't kill for fun.

Some animals do kill for fun.

[Grinning Dragon]

Bullshit. Most industrial farms and most brand-name meat companies profit from animal abuse. The conditions are appalling. Their fate is far worse than that from a bullet. Plus, all the hormones and other questionable alternatives not only hurt the animal while it's living, but can pose a detriment to the human consumers too.

Again, animals DO hunt other animals for fun.

Sure, in america, animal farms are often unethical. In England, you cannot sell meat at a shop unless you have had your farm approved by the government. If your farm isn't approved, you can't sell your meat. Animals don't kill for fun. They kill for food, and for territory. If you are including humans in this, then yes, Animals do kill for fun. But without humans in this equation, animals don't kill for fun.

Umm, dolphins will kill for fun, hyenas, fox, leopards, just to name a few.

[Greater Cesnica]

Bullshit. Most industrial farms and most brand-name meat companies profit from animal abuse. The conditions are appalling. Their fate is far worse than that from a bullet. Plus, all the hormones and other questionable alternatives not only hurt the animal while it's living, but can pose a detriment to the human consumers too.

Again, animals DO hunt other animals for fun.

Sure, in america, animal farms are often unethical. In England, you cannot sell meat at a shop unless you have had your farm approved by the government. If your farm isn't approved, you can't sell your meat. Animals don't kill for fun. They kill for food, and for territory. If you are including humans in this, then yes, Animals do kill for fun. But without humans in this equation, animals don't kill for fun.

Why do you insist on denying reality?

https://www.wildsidebrand.com/new-blog/ ... inganimals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing

Animals literally do hunt for fun. This is not an uncommon occurrence. As for your "unethical farms not a problem in England":

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... on-reveals
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/s ... rming-meat
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 04661.html

[Paddy O Fernature]

You're literally not allowed to carry a gun in England. Clearly you need to actually check your opinions before commenting. Also, with guns come mass murder, as you can fire multiple bullets quickly. Yes, knife crime still exists, but manslaughter and homicide DOES NOT happen as much as in america, where you can literally carry a gun about.

You can carry a gun in places in England, and you can own firearms. As for 'multiple bullets quickly', those guns can be manufactured at home with fair ease or obtained easily through illegal sources. As for Northern Ireland? You can carry firearms in public there just fine.

Clearly, we are wrong here and he is right.

Now now GD, you know full well that at any second the local police are going to arrest me for committing felony vehicular homicide last night on my way into work when I ran down that poor Racoon who decided to jaywalk across the highway.



Indeed and well said.

Fucking raccoons. Lil trash bandits love shitting in my yard and making a mess of things back there. I've dispatched a half dozen or so over the years.

Careful, round these parts that knowledge is likely to get you labeled a mass murderer/serial killer.

[Greater Cesnica]

You can carry a gun in places in England, and you can own firearms. As for 'multiple bullets quickly', those guns can be manufactured at home with fair ease or obtained easily through illegal sources. As for Northern Ireland? You can carry firearms in public there just fine.

Clearly, we are wrong here and he is right.

Clearly.

[Kathol Rift]

Bullshit. Most industrial farms and most brand-name meat companies profit from animal abuse. The conditions are appalling. Their fate is far worse than that from a bullet. Plus, all the hormones and other questionable alternatives not only hurt the animal while it's living, but can pose a detriment to the human consumers too.

Again, animals DO hunt other animals for fun.

Sure, in america, animal farms are often unethical. In England, you cannot sell meat at a shop unless you have had your farm approved by the government. If your farm isn't approved, you can't sell your meat. Animals don't kill for fun. They kill for food, and for territory. If you are including humans in this, then yes, Animals do kill for fun. But without humans in this equation, animals don't kill for fun.

Several animals actually do hunt for fun. Leopards are actually rather well known for doing so.

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

Also to whoever is against hunting deer meat tastes great I shot my first deer this year and it tasted delicious

[WeeTurds]

In England, you cannot carry a gun in public, nor can you just buy one. You have to have a licence and it can only be used for sports like skeet shooting. In Northern Ireland, you are allowed to carry a gun, again, you need a licence. Yes, you need a license in the US, and i personally don't know much about foreign gun laws. In the UK, your license needs to be approved after multiple pepole have approved it. Also, you can'y just lie about this. You can't carry guns in the UK. https://www.google.com/search?q=can+you+carry+a+gun+in+england&oq=can+you+carry+a+gun+in+england&aqs=chrome..69i57.40277j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 google this and look at the first link.

[WeeTurds]

Also to whoever is against hunting deer meat tastes great I shot my first deer this year and it tasted delicious

how old are you?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Bullshit. Most industrial farms and most brand-name meat companies profit from animal abuse. The conditions are appalling. Their fate is far worse than that from a bullet. Plus, all the hormones and other questionable alternatives not only hurt the animal while it's living, but can pose a detriment to the human consumers too.

Again, animals DO hunt other animals for fun.

Sure, in america, animal farms are often unethical. In England, you cannot sell meat at a shop unless you have had your farm approved by the government. If your farm isn't approved, you can't sell your meat. Animals don't kill for fun. They kill for food, and for territory. If you are including humans in this, then yes, Animals do kill for fun. But without humans in this equation, animals don't kill for fun.

You should look up the term "Surplus Killing"..

Please educate yourself, this point you are trying to push has already been soundly proven false.

[South Acren]

As a guy who occasionally goes hunting for food, specifically Deer, because deer meat is really good, I never really liked the idea of Sport Hunting. Why hunt something if you only use it as a bragging right? Don't waste the meat. I dont know if banning it outright is the right way but maybe limitations or restrictions. Or who knows, maybe banning it is correct. I'm no politician but I dont know if you can ban it through political ways.