by Erskentania » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:36 pm
by Sundiata » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:47 pm
Because they're headed by a dictator.Erskentania wrote:Why don't they let them join?
What would happenn if they finally join?
by The Lone Alliance » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:53 pm
Erskentania wrote:Since Turkey's proposal to join the European Union has been rejected for a long time... Why don't they let them join?
Erskentania wrote:and What would happenn if they finally join?
by Baltenstein » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:40 am
by Risottia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:03 am
Erskentania wrote:Since Turkey's proposal to join the European Union has been rejected for a long time... Why don't they let them join?
and What would happenn if they finally join?
by Baltenstein » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:05 am
Risottia wrote:Erskentania wrote:Since Turkey's proposal to join the European Union has been rejected for a long time... Why don't they let them join?
It hasn't been rejected. It's on hold, waiting for Turkey to proceed on the reforms required as per accession candidacy agreements, just like any other applicant.
So far, Turkey has refused to proceed on the road towards EU standards and it has actually rolled back in a lot of fields, so, it's not a matter of the EU refusing to let them join, it's a matter of Turkey not wanting to.and What would happenn if they finally join?
They won't in any foreseeable future. And considering what are the political likings of the majority of Turks, the EU is better off without Turkey; sorry for the rest of the Turkish population, if they want to come and live in a land of rule of law and democracy they can immigrate.
by Risottia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:14 am
Baltenstein wrote:Risottia wrote:It hasn't been rejected. It's on hold, waiting for Turkey to proceed on the reforms required as per accession candidacy agreements, just like any other applicant.
So far, Turkey has refused to proceed on the road towards EU standards and it has actually rolled back in a lot of fields, so, it's not a matter of the EU refusing to let them join, it's a matter of Turkey not wanting to.
They won't in any foreseeable future. And considering what are the political likings of the majority of Turks, the EU is better off without Turkey; sorry for the rest of the Turkish population, if they want to come and live in a land of rule of law and democracy they can immigrate.
It looks like Erdogan's autocracy is fine for a great many people, as long as they personally don't have to deal with its consequences, economical or otherwise.
by Kilobugya » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:30 am
Erskentania wrote:Since Turkey's proposal to join the European Union has been rejected for a long time... Why don't they let them join? and What would happenn if they finally join?
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:49 am
That's one of the reasons, but it's not enough. The door of the European Union will not be opened to Turks unless political Islam ends.The Lone Alliance wrote:Erskentania wrote:Since Turkey's proposal to join the European Union has been rejected for a long time... Why don't they let them join?
Because Erdoğan is a dictator.Erskentania wrote:and What would happenn if they finally join?
As long as the current regime rules Turkey there isn't going to be anything like that, the EU has enough problem with Hungary and Poland acting like borderline Authoritarian states, they don't need Turkey making it worse.
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by Baltenstein » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:07 am
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:That's one of the reasons, but it's not enough. The door of the European Union will not be opened to Turks unless political Islam ends.The Lone Alliance wrote:Because Erdoğan is a dictator.
As long as the current regime rules Turkey there isn't going to be anything like that, the EU has enough problem with Hungary and Poland acting like borderline Authoritarian states, they don't need Turkey making it worse.
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by -Ocelot- » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:53 am
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:01 am
Do not worry approaching early elections in Turkey and Kemalist social democrats in this election will be in power. The Kemalists will not make the mistakes political Islamists make. I have no doubts that we can have good relations with Europe.-Ocelot- wrote:Turkey would have to fill a lot of criteria and even then I'm not sure the EU wants to factor in a country of 80 million people that would most likely be a net loss for a long time in their budget.
2021 Turkey is moving away from the EU and they'd have to change a lot of things before joining. With this government, they are unfit to join the EU.
by The Islands of Versilia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:04 am
by -Ocelot- » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:05 am
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Do not worry approaching early elections in Turkey and Kemalist social democrats in this election will be in power. The Kemalists will not make the mistakes political Islamists make. I have no doubts that we can have good relations with Europe.-Ocelot- wrote:Turkey would have to fill a lot of criteria and even then I'm not sure the EU wants to factor in a country of 80 million people that would most likely be a net loss for a long time in their budget.
2021 Turkey is moving away from the EU and they'd have to change a lot of things before joining. With this government, they are unfit to join the EU.
by Kilobugya » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:06 am
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Do not worry approaching early elections in Turkey and Kemalist social democrats in this election will be in power. The Kemalists will not make the mistakes political Islamists make. I have no doubts that we can have good relations with Europe.
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:18 am
It will be good for all of us because all we need to know is that political Islamists are always bad, just like the people who adopted the idea of the Megali Idea. I dream of a future without borders that separate us.-Ocelot- wrote:Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Do not worry approaching early elections in Turkey and Kemalist social democrats in this election will be in power. The Kemalists will not make the mistakes political Islamists make. I have no doubts that we can have good relations with Europe.
As a Greek, I hope Turkey becomes more friendly not only towards its neighbors but also towards its NATO allies. I'm not sure if Kemalists will be better for their country or the region as a whole.
by -Ocelot- » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:29 am
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:It will be good for all of us because all we need to know is that political Islamists are always bad, just like the people who adopted the idea of the Megali Idea. I dream of a future without borders that separate us.-Ocelot- wrote:
As a Greek, I hope Turkey becomes more friendly not only towards its neighbors but also towards its NATO allies. I'm not sure if Kemalists will be better for their country or the region as a whole.
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by The Archregimancy » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:24 am
by Baltenstein » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:30 am
The Archregimancy wrote:One of the more interesting side-effects from an Orthodox Christian perspective would be that the Turkish government would - assuming freedom of movement applies - no longer be able to restrict the office of Ecumenical Patriarch to Turkish citizens.
by The Islands of Versilia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:46 am
Baltenstein wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:One of the more interesting side-effects from an Orthodox Christian perspective would be that the Turkish government would - assuming freedom of movement applies - no longer be able to restrict the office of Ecumenical Patriarch to Turkish citizens.
Is that actually true, though? What if Turkey becomes a member...and then continues its policies of slowly erasing the Patriarchate anyway. It's not as if the EU could send an army to enforce church policies on the Turkish state.
by Bienenhalde » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:28 am
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:43 am
No law in TurkeyBienenhalde wrote:The EU already has enough problems dealing with lack of rule of law and human rights abuses in Hungary and Poland.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:44 am
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