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by Empire of Techkotal » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:43 am
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Elysian Kentarchy wrote:Interest tag, reserving Italy.
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Empire of Techkotal wrote:Short Question Trakia. What do you think gives me more possibilities Jihad or Piracy?
by Kenobot » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:52 pm
Elysian Kentarchy wrote:Interest tag, reserving Italy.
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The Traansval wrote:Full Nation Name: United Republic of Great Britain and Ireland; also known as the United Republic, British Republic, or the Union.
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Kenobot wrote:Full Nation Name : Sacrum Imperium Romanum (Holy Roman Empire)
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Revlona wrote:Full Nation Name : United States of Germany, Vereinigte Staaten von Deutschland, Germany, The German Republic
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by Tracian Empire » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:09 pm
Dentali wrote:Would an African nation be allowed an advanced tech level? On par with Europe?
by Dentali » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:25 pm
Tracian Empire wrote:Dentali wrote:Would an African nation be allowed an advanced tech level? On par with Europe?
Presumably not quite on par since there are plenty of factors still disadvantaging Africa, however, since this is just 1812, and industrialization is just starting, African nations in general are not at that much of a disadvantage. You could most certainly find a way for your nation to already have muskets and some modern equipment. You'd have more than a fighting chance, any European nation would struggle.
It also depends on what area of Africa you're interested in though.
by Tracian Empire » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:30 pm
Dentali wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Presumably not quite on par since there are plenty of factors still disadvantaging Africa, however, since this is just 1812, and industrialization is just starting, African nations in general are not at that much of a disadvantage. You could most certainly find a way for your nation to already have muskets and some modern equipment. You'd have more than a fighting chance, any European nation would struggle.
It also depends on what area of Africa you're interested in though.
Yea i want them to only be a few decades behind europe. I want cities and industries and such. I'm thinking Nigeria or Ethiopia would be the basis for the nation.
by Dentali » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:35 pm
Tracian Empire wrote:Dentali wrote:
Yea i want them to only be a few decades behind europe. I want cities and industries and such. I'm thinking Nigeria or Ethiopia would be the basis for the nation.
Cities and some manufacturing could work if you built your history that way
An earlier Sokoto Caliphate might be an idea, though Axis Asteroid, one of the CO-OP's, is much more knowledgeable in African history than I am. Ethiopia also, certainly.
by Tracian Empire » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:40 pm
Dentali wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Cities and some manufacturing could work if you built your history that way
An earlier Sokoto Caliphate might be an idea, though Axis Asteroid, one of the CO-OP's, is much more knowledgeable in African history than I am. Ethiopia also, certainly.
I was going to have the Songhai win the Battle of Tondibi in 1591 and then embark on reforms and Westernization that lead to the creation of the Empire of Niger, a Constitutional Monarchy
by Dentali » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:43 pm
Tracian Empire wrote:Dentali wrote:
I was going to have the Songhai win the Battle of Tondibi in 1591 and then embark on reforms and Westernization that lead to the creation of the Empire of Niger, a Constitutional Monarchy
Like I said, African history isn't my strong point
A constitutional monarchy might be a bit too much, on account of the fact that there aren't any Western European constitutional monarchies for them to take inspiration from.
But some reforms might work, you can make a reservation for the area you're interested in
by Northern Socialist Council Republics » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:51 pm
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by Tracian Empire » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:18 pm
Krugmar wrote:Full Nation Name : Exarchate of Egypt | Exárcheia tis Aigýptou | Esarcato d'egito
Republic of Zanzibar | Serenìsima Repùblega Zanzibar | Politeía tis Zanziváris
Official Culture : Eastern Roman [Primarily Greek, but including Graecified Slavs, Armenians, Syriacs/Aramaeans, and Arabs]
Other Cultures In Egypt: Copts, Egyptian Arabs (incl. Bedouin and Fellahin), Nubians and Sudanese Arabs. In Zanzibar: Arabs and Persians, Swahili, Hadimu,
Territorial Core : Egypt, Zanzibar, Tanzanian coast, Cyrenaica
Territorial Claim : the Sudan, Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya
Capital City : Heliopolis
Population: ~4,000,000 for Egypt, ~500,000 for Zanzibar
Government Type : Egypt: Absolute Viceroyalty | Zanzibar: Oligarchic republic with elective monarchistic features
Government Ideology/Policies : Explorationist
Government Focus : Securing power, exploring Africa
Head of State and Government: Luca Barbarigo [Loúkas Barmparínko], Exarch of Egypt, and Exarch and Duke of Zanzibar [Éxarchos tis Aigýptou, kai Éxarchos kai Doúkas tis Zanziváris; Esarca d'Egitto, Esarca e Doxe de Zanzibar
Government Description : Egypt: The Exarch of Egypt wields considerable autocratic power, being a localised version of the Basileus in Constantinople. This power is de jure restrained by the Assembly in Alexandria, although most successful Exarchs usually pack it with loyalists to create it as a rubber stamp. The main restrictions on their power come from the Emperor and Senate in Constantinople, with rivals in the latter who may have designs on Egypt sure to critique any mistakes made by the Exarch.
Zanzibar: The Duke is the First Citizen and leader of Zanzibar's Senate, relying upon personal authority and deals with the other great families of the republic to maintain their authority. Their title of Exarch is purely a formality, as part of recognising the suzerainty and personal protection of the Roman Emperor.
Majority/State Religion : Roman Orthodox Church
Religious Description : Egypt is relatively diverse religiously, albeit between two groups: Christians, and Muslims. The country is roughly evenly split religiously, though the Christian population is rising. Muslims face increasing public and private restrictions, and are largely rural, with the two communities largely self-segregating. The Christian population is divided between Greek Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Armenian Apostolic, and small numbers of Roman Catholic. The Copts make up the largest sect, while the Greek Orthodox and Armenian Apostolic are growing in size due to settlers and converts. Muslims are largely Sunni, of the Shafiʽi madhab.
Economic Ideologies : Mercantilism
Major Production : Crops such as Cotton, rice, wheat, corn, sugarcane, sugar beets, onions, tobacco, and beans. Gold and iron ore, textiles and clothing.
Economic Description : Egypt is still largely agrarian, with most of the economic activity conducted in its cities such as Heliopolis and Alexandria. Although its economy is largely self-contained, it is also integrated into the wider Roman economy, and is enriched by its position as the (overland) connector of the Mediterranean and Red seas.
Development: Industrialising in Egypt, Pre-Industrial in Zanzibar proper, Primitive for much of the mainland coast
Development Description : Egypt is one of the Empire's richer provinces, being its bread-basket, and the Barbarigo have been able to leverage its vital food exports to both reduce taxes sent to Constantinople, and leverage key resources needed for further development of their power base. Zanzibar has had far less attention, with only the city-proper gaining patronage from its wealthier citizens.
Army Description : See: Eastern Roman Army for macro details.
Egypt's army is not particularly divergent from the rest of Eastern Rome, with the exception of a few unique things:
The Mamelukes (μαμάλου mamálou) are a caste of military nobility, converts descended from the previous ruling caste of Egypt. They dominate the officer corps of Egypt's military, and tend to be a thorn in the side of the Exarch, being unruly 'natives' who contrast with the new nobility formed from Greek and other Roman settlers.
The Koleman (κολέμαν koléman, from Turkish Kölemen, from Arabic غِلْمَان ghilmān) are slave-soldiers, usually drawn from the Sudan and now from the Zanzibar interior. They primarily serve as the Exarch's bodyguard, although under the Barbarigo have been expanded dramatically to number a full regiment. They are slaves, the personal property of the Exarch, until they reach the age of 40, when they are freed and the restrictions upon them, such as celibacy, are withdrawn. Most of those who are freed go on to further service, either continuing in the military, or serving in the Exarch's household.
Army Weakness : For Egypt, the Mamelukes are the largest weakness. Nearly every mutiny or attempted coup has featured their involvement. Their power is slowly being broken, growing weaker the longer Egypt is under Roman rule, but they still represent a sizeable noble faction and threat to both the Exarch and Emperor.
Naval Description : Egypt's navy, that the Exarch controls, is largely riverine. The Exarch also oversees the Red Sea fleet, which is largely used to combat piracy and protect merchant shipping in Zanzibar and the Indian ocean. Alexandria is a key port for the Empire, hosting a division of its fleet. The Barbarigos seek to create their own Egyptian fleet.
Zanzibar's navy is fairly small, largely composed of old vessels purchased from the Empire.
Naval Weakness : Both navies are fairly small, and like their Roman counterparts are underfunded.
National Goals : - Explore the Nile river to its source
- Explore mainland Zanzibar and the interior
- Build up Barbarigo power and influence within Egypt and the Empire
- Secure more trading posts, ports, and land in Africa and beyond
National Issues : - Mamelukes
- Industrialisation
- Religious divisions
- Naval buildup
National Figures of Interest: tbd (will mainly be Barbarigos)
History : Egypt:
1587 - Romans gain the Sina peninsula, Mamluk power in the Middle East is firmly broken
1642 - Lower Egypt is under Roman control, but the Mamluks in Upper Egypt continue to resist
1681 - Roman control of Egypt is solidified with the fall of Aswan in 1681
1695 - A great rebellion in Egypt and the Levant fails, and heavy restrictions are put in place on the Muslim population, as well as colonisation efforts, both of which are still in effect today.
1801 - Luca Barbarigo, Duke of Zanzibar, is appointed Exarch of Egypt by Andronikos V. His enemies (correctly) accuse him of bribing his way into the position, and the Senate is outraged that an "Italian barbarian" is given such a high position. Two mutinies (1805, 1811) to remove him fail, and he is still the present Exarch.
Zanzibar:
pre-1701 - Zanzibar was visited by Arab merchants, who spread Islam across the coast and helped in the formation and spread of Swahili. Many urban centres appeared during this time, with the elites being Muslim and Swahili-speaking Bantu peoples, who often established for themselves Persian or Arab genealogies. Over time Nestorian Persian and Indian merchants began arriving and settling in these cities, particularly Zanzibar Town
1701 - 1735 - Roman merchants become increasingly prominent along the East Coast of Africa, and establish their own quarter in Stone Town.
1735 - The Roman Merchants banded together to overthrow the Sultanate of Zanzibar and institute their own oligarchic republic, though they were quick to establish links and recognise the sovereignty of the Empire. Among these merchants were the Barbarigo, who quickly became one of the premier families of the young republic.
1748 - Aureo Barbarigo is elected Duke of Zanzibar, and the post becomes de facto hereditary from this point onwards.
1775 - The Duke of Zanzibar is awarded the title of Exarch by the Emperor. Other than being a ceremonial recognition of Zanzibar as a client of the Empire, it also gives the duke power over all Roman subjects in the Indian Sea, and the ability to establish diplomatic ties on Constantinople's behalf in the Maritime East and African interior.
1801 - Luca Barbarigo is created Exarch of Egypt, and moves the family's power base from Stone Town in Zanzibar, to Heliopolis in Lower Egypt. He remains dually Exarch and Duke, though the functions of the latter are carried out by his brother, Dragano.
Barbarigo:
The Barbarigo are a Venetian family, though they have long been intertwined in the Roman world. They first appear in the records after 1204, first as landholders in Athens and, after that was lost, in Crete. Following the sale of Crete to the Empire they lost their land, though gained reimbursement, which they used to enter the Byzantine mercantile world and purchase for themselves properties in Constantinople's Venetian quarter.
They make themselves noticeable in the records again in 1711, when Clario Barbarigo purchased an estate in Stone Town and established himself in the local slave and plantation trade. The family became pre-eminent among the Roman settlers of the area, establishing links across the East African coast and Indian ocean. They took part in the 1735 coup against the Sultanate, and in 1748 Aureo Barbarigo accepted the position of Duke, which became de facto hereditary. They were granted the title of Exarch of Zanzibar, giving them great influence within the Empire, and in 1801 Luca Barbarigo was able to acquire the position of Exarch of Egypt. The family is now split between their two power bases of Egypt and Zanzibar, both united in the person of Luca Barbarigo.
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by Tracian Empire » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:18 pm
Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:I’m really sorry about this, but I’m going to have to drop. My free month is mostly over and things has gotten abruptly hectic here.
I’ll come back when my schedule clears up a bit if the spot is still free then, but if there’s anyone who wants Scandinavia I don’t want to hold up the spot.
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