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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:25 am

Defendants altered the rules and procedures of the 2020 Federal Elections in all 50 states, and including Guam, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia (collectively, with the 50 States, the “Voting Districts”) in a manner that severely and pervasively violated the election integrity safeguards enacted by Congress in the Help America Vote Act of 2002, as amended


Well that's terrible. Shocking even. Tut tut, we'll try to do better next time.

But wait!

Accordingly, the only appropriate remedy is a new congressional election conducted pursuant to the Election Integrity Safeguards, and additional security measures that should be imposed by the Court to ensure the conduct that occurred herein cannot affect the new election. For example, such measures could include a 100% in person paper ballot election, with government-issued ID required, and supervised by the People over live video feeds to ensure proper counting. The Court must ensure a new congressional election that should be the most transparent and closely-supervised in history


Granted. This court orders that a new congressional election shall be conducted, at the scheduled time in November 2022, in greater accordance with the Election Integrity Safeguards, with government-issued ID required in any states that so legislate. State governments should also make efforts to implement the live video feeds thing, within limits of intruding on the privacy of voters. Banning "postal votes" would egregiously limit the voting rights of frail and unwell people, also serving military and emergency services, so states are specifically enjoined from limiting their use to that extent. This court approves the intention to make the next congressional election the most transparent and closely-supervised in history, however lacks any means among those offered to make it so.

It is with great forbearance that Plaintiffs' implied demand for a supernumerary election with unreasonable and unconstitutional limitations, is overlooked for lack of specificity. Also note that a less tolerant judge would rule lead counsel's attempt to surreptitiously smoke something under their bench, to be contempt of court. Dismissed!
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:28 am

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/23/politics ... index.html

Former senator David Perdue has announced he will not run for Senate next year against Raphael Warnock.

Perdue said he will do "everything" he could to ensure that the Republican nominee for the race beats newly elected incumbent Sen. Raphael Warnock.
"These two current liberal US Senators do not represent the values of a majority of Georgians” he added.

The latter statement makes no sense as they clearly do since both Warnock and Ossoff got over 50 percent of the vote.
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Well those cases will have to be retried then. I'm guessing that unqualified counsel makes a mistrial and get around the double jeopardy rule?

Hopefully the defendants get an opt-out to that, and in any case they should be able to sue the State yeah.

"Contracting out" is a good idea in principle. If the state was prepared to spend that much, they could use the asking rate of private lawyers as a guide, to match the prosecution in every case that is at all difficult. It would cost a bomb of course, and states might retrench their best prosecutors to avoid having to match them. But other than some kind of Defense NGO it's hard to see a way around this conflict of interest: the state wants every case its prosecutor brings to result in a conviction, so it won't provide equal defence counsel unless legislatively forced to.

We have this problem in Australia too. Not a lot of Rumpoles, but plenty of new graduates who only know in theory how to successfully defend a client, among the public defenders. Judges can adjust to the power imbalance, but juries can't.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:00 am

so the senate is holding a hearing with ex-capitol police chief steven sund (and others) testifying about the storming on the sixth right now
of course, Sen. Ron Johnson's R-WI) angle was that the insurrectionists weren't actually Trump supporters, but were instead "provocateurs" and "fake Trump protesters"
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:00 am

Kowani wrote:so the senate is holding a hearing with ex-capitol police chief steven sund (and others) testifying about the storming on the sixth right now
of course, Sen. Ron Johnson's R-WI) angle was that the insurrectionists weren't actually Trump supporters, but were instead "provocateurs" and "fake Trump protesters"


I really hope he loses next year.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:06 am

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:10 am

Joe Bidens dog is unpresidential and ugly looking. He's mocking the country by owning such an unfuckable dog while living in the white house.

Am I being serious?
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I thought that was just a cloture vote and not the final vote on confirmation.

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:18 am

San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/23/politics/david-perdue-2022-senate-race/index.html

Former senator David Perdue has announced he will not run for Senate next year against Raphael Warnock.

Perdue said he will do "everything" he could to ensure that the Republican nominee for the race beats newly elected incumbent Sen. Raphael Warnock.
"These two current liberal US Senators do not represent the values of a majority of Georgians” he added.

The latter statement makes no sense as they clearly do since both Warnock and Ossoff got over 50 percent of the vote.


Ah, but the "values" of voters are a mysterious thing that most voters are unaware of themselves. It's intangible, but can roughly be described as "how they should have voted".

Republicans are continually disappointed that their moral virtue is not apparent to the voters, while the practical virtue of Democrats is. They can't work it out.

Some on their own wing have even taken to mocking virtue itself. True virtue they think, is so intangible it can never be discovered. Any actually apparent virtue (besides making money or attending church) must be an elitist hoax of real virtue: ... "virtue signalling".
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:20 am

San Lumen wrote:


I thought that was just a cloture vote and not the final vote on confirmation.


It's not a very meaningful distinction. The number may change a little but if they're done arguing they're going to confirm her.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:21 am

San Lumen wrote:


I thought that was just a cloture vote and not the final vote on confirmation.

nope
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:22 am

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I thought that was just a cloture vote and not the final vote on confirmation.

nope

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... ambassador

Every major news outlet is reporting her as confirmed therefore why they are voting on cloture now makes no sense.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:23 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Joe Bidens dog is unpresidential and ugly looking. He's mocking the country by owning such an unfuckable dog while living in the white house.

Am I being serious?


If you are, you've just committed a forum offense. "A dog even my dog wouldn't fuck" would be safer!
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Postby Forsher » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:36 am

Is this take on Neera Tanden in any sense accurate?

New haven america wrote:2. All developed nations have draconian (And hard right wing) immigration policies. What's your point? (The US is actually one of the easier countries to get into...)


This is an interesting POV.

Have you heard of CER or the EU and, especially, its Schengen Agreement?

Between Australia and NZ, the border is effectively non-existent (it exists, you need passports and go through border checks) in the sense you don't need to apply for residency... you can just stay for as long as you like. This causes all sorts of problems because so many NZers move to Australia that the Australian government is in a habit of deporting people raised for basically their entire lives in Australia to NZ simply because their parents never bothered obtaining Australian citizenship for their children and when they got older they never bothered getting Australian citizenship for themselves. The most recent example of this is a little different because that person did have Australian citizenship but they're accused of terrorism so had their citizenship stripped.

The EU goes a bit further than CER in the sense that I understand it to be wholly symmetrical, i.e. all EU citizens have functionally equal entitlements regardless of country (Australians in NZ have much greater entitlements than vice versa at the moment but, again, the disparity is huge... there are hundreds of thousands of NZers in Australia but few Aussies in NZ). The Schengen Agreement takes that even further because the internal borders don't exist... no passports, no controls etc.

So... what do you mean by "right wing" immigration? It may interest you to know, for example, that in NZ, it's the leftwingers who want less immigration and they decry the immigration settings as being neoliberal (i.e. mainstream right wing ideology)... which is, incidentally, true (liberalising immigration was a massive part of the 1990s neoliberalism).
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:45 am

Trump may soon have to answer rape allegations under oath.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has yet to rule on it but it will probably rule against Trump or the DOJ under Biden's direction will withdraw from the case. Suffice to say, if he is deposed, he won't be able to rely on the Presidency to protect him.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:46 am


I'd watch Donald Trump under oath. It'd be a shitshow of perjury.
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:02 am

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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:03 am

Zurkerx wrote:Trump may soon have to answer rape allegations under oath.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has yet to rule on it but it will probably rule against Trump or the DOJ under Biden's direction will withdraw from the case. Suffice to say, if he is deposed, he won't be able to rely on the Presidency to protect him.


If he does its likely hes charged with perjury since hes incapable of telling the truth.

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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:20 am

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Was there a point you were trying to make here? Or were you just desperately fishing for a gotcha?


No, that's exactly what you're doing.

Want to have a discussion about the validity of Mr. Young Pharaoh's claims and why a Republican organization largely funded by wealthy Zionists would be pissed?

Why do you say "Zionists" when you mean "Jews"?
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:26 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

I'd watch Donald Trump under oath. It'd be a shitshow of perjury.

Trump would likely just refuse to show up, not like he's cooperated with any legal orders in the last 4 years.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:27 am

https://bluevirginia.us/2021/02/audio-v ... ct-nominee

GOP frontrunner Amanda Chase says she will run as a independent for Governor of Virginia if 72 State Central Committee members select the nominee. I can't believe im saying this but i agree with her that its absurd.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:32 am

In Texas, the heads of the fossil fuel companies are celebrating their profits from the cold snap.

“Obviously, this week is like hitting the jackpot,” boasted Roland Burns, the chief executive of Comstock Resources, a shale drilling company that benefited from the sudden demand for natural gas, in a call with investors last Wednesday. The price for gas, said Burns, has been “incredible.”

Marshall McCrea, the co-chief executive of pipeline firm Energy Transfer, told investors last Wednesday that his company has “been able to benefit,” given its ability to transport gas from storage facilities near Houston to power plants across the state. The company, McCrea said, has transported large volumes of gas in Texas and capitalized on “very strong commodity prices.” The price of natural gas, which skyrocketed as power plants and industrial consumers scrambled to secure additional supply, benefited other energy interests. Macquarie Group, an investment bank that is the second-biggest physical gas supplier in the U.S., reported a windfall of $210 million from the swing in gas and electricity prices. The company also owns Griddy, a residential energy utility that has billed customers as much as $16,752 and $8,000 in recent days.

There was another “upside” to the Texas storm, McCrea noted during the call. “Just over the last four or five days,” he added, “the number one thing that everybody is recognizing, I’ve already said, and we all know on this call, how important fossil fuels are for this country, in this world.”
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