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by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:13 am
by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:17 am
Adamede wrote:Nope. Same with racism or any other form of bigotry against a group of people who have no control over what group they are a part of.
by Insaanistan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:23 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Adamede wrote:Nope. Same with racism or any other form of bigotry against a group of people who have no control over what group they are a part of.
Racism: Losing your cool because someone has a different skintone than you or differs in appearance in some way (i added that part on due to the fact people are racist to Arabs and at least half of Arabs don't have that different of a skintone from whites, nor do East Asian people who were also hated at one time by many people).
Sexism: Forcing people to follow roles you established for them based on their genitalia.
Homophobia: Losing sleep thinking about the fact that some people are attracted to people of their own gender and worrying that they may be doing the thing with each other.
Transphobia: Being afraid that the transformers are actually real and will one day do battle in your town, reducing the entire city to rubble and killing your family. Usually translates into people running away when they see a bright colored car or large truck.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:25 am
Insaanistan wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Racism: Losing your cool because someone has a different skintone than you or differs in appearance in some way (i added that part on due to the fact people are racist to Arabs and at least half of Arabs don't have that different of a skintone from whites, nor do East Asian people who were also hated at one time by many people).
Sexism: Forcing people to follow roles you established for them based on their genitalia.
Homophobia: Losing sleep thinking about the fact that some people are attracted to people of their own gender and worrying that they may be doing the thing with each other.
Transphobia: Being afraid that the transformers are actually real and will one day do battle in your town, reducing the entire city to rubble and killing your family. Usually translates into people running away when they see a bright colored car or large truck.
Literally every religion: Just don’t be an *sshole.
Followers of said religions:
by Insaanistan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:34 am
by Saint Arsenio » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:46 am
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by National Capitalist United States » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:00 am
by National Capitalist United States » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:06 am
An-Tanwir wrote:Furthermore, slurs and discriminatory language serve a purpose beyond simply making someone feel bad for cutting you off in traffic. Slurs are the "gateway drug" to further discrimination; they allow hateful people to test the waters, to see whether the people around them will resist their efforts at discrimination. If a fascist says the n word and nobody calls them out on it, they feel safe and comfortable going a bit further, moving ever closer towards physical confrontation. Likewise, if there is pushback against their usage of slurs, they know the people around them aren't going to tolerate and stand by as they harass minorities.
by Ainland » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:14 am
by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:32 am
by Suriyanakhon » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:35 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Picairn wrote:They are, actually. Religious influence on the world is fading fast. You are fighting a losing battle.
It's really not though. Christianity and Islam are exploding in size in up and coming areas and while Christianity is fading in the west not all those people are becoming atheists, many are just turning to different religions. Asian faiths (Buddhism etc), various forms of paganism, Islam etc etc are doing well in the States for example.
by Loeje » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:39 am
Heloin wrote:Loeje wrote:I just know that I don't always feel like it's harmful to me. It could be different for other people, and in that case it is wrong in that situation.
No, it never really is. It’s hatred towards someone for being who they are. It’s deeply harmful. That you’re excusing a bigot because they’re sometimes act nice doesn’t change that.
by Sundiata » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:48 am
Palmyrion wrote:just overturn lawrence v texas and obergefell v hodges
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:49 am
Loeje wrote:Heloin wrote:No, it never really is. It’s hatred towards someone for being who they are. It’s deeply harmful. That you’re excusing a bigot because they’re sometimes act nice doesn’t change that.
Most of the time it is harmful. But if someone actually really cares about you as a person, I don't really see any harm in them. As long as they still respect who you are.
by Giovenith » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:55 am
by Loeje » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:59 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Loeje wrote:Most of the time it is harmful. But if someone actually really cares about you as a person, I don't really see any harm in them. As long as they still respect who you are.
You can hurt people you care about, even when you mean well. I do think it's a fine line to walk. (Going back to what I believe is the start of this thread in tet). I do think it is possible, but to give a nod to Helion, it is hard to pull off.
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:01 am
Loeje wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
You can hurt people you care about, even when you mean well. I do think it's a fine line to walk. (Going back to what I believe is the start of this thread in tet). I do think it is possible, but to give a nod to Helion, it is hard to pull off.
Sure, it's hard, but it's possible. And I think that matters.
by Punished UMN » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:02 am
Giovenith wrote:No. And I am so sick of the way homophobes continue to play the victim long after they have so obviously miserably lost this cultural debate.
"I mean, I mean, I- I- I mean- J-Just because I don't approve of the gays, that doesn't mean I'm doing something shitty, right? I'm still a good little noodle just like I was considered twenty years ago? Right? Right?" Wrong. Get over it. If you're so uncomfortable with how poorly these views reflect on you and undermine your self-image as a good person, maybe instead of constantly trying in vain to argue and bargain with and guilt trip the mirror in front of you, you should wash your own damn face.
by Iarann Grudaidh » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:11 am
by Sundiata » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:11 am
Punished UMN wrote:Giovenith wrote:No. And I am so sick of the way homophobes continue to play the victim long after they have so obviously miserably lost this cultural debate.
"I mean, I mean, I- I- I mean- J-Just because I don't approve of the gays, that doesn't mean I'm doing something shitty, right? I'm still a good little noodle just like I was considered twenty years ago? Right? Right?" Wrong. Get over it. If you're so uncomfortable with how poorly these views reflect on you and undermine your self-image as a good person, maybe instead of constantly trying in vain to argue and bargain with and guilt trip the mirror in front of you, you should wash your own damn face.
Is the implication of this that the morality of prejudice is entirely dependent upon the dominant cultural ideas about that prejudice?
by Giovenith » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:18 am
Punished UMN wrote:Giovenith wrote:No. And I am so sick of the way homophobes continue to play the victim long after they have so obviously miserably lost this cultural debate.
"I mean, I mean, I- I- I mean- J-Just because I don't approve of the gays, that doesn't mean I'm doing something shitty, right? I'm still a good little noodle just like I was considered twenty years ago? Right? Right?" Wrong. Get over it. If you're so uncomfortable with how poorly these views reflect on you and undermine your self-image as a good person, maybe instead of constantly trying in vain to argue and bargain with and guilt trip the mirror in front of you, you should wash your own damn face.
Is the implication of this that the morality of prejudice is entirely dependent upon the dominant cultural ideas about that prejudice?
by Punished UMN » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:20 am
Giovenith wrote:Punished UMN wrote:Is the implication of this that the morality of prejudice is entirely dependent upon the dominant cultural ideas about that prejudice?
No, the implication is that this debate has been had in both the public and private circuit an approximate quad-shit-million times and the homophobes have failed each and every time to provide any good reason why their views are justified, which is why they now have to resort to attempting to guilt trip the rest of us into tolerating their bigotry because doing otherwise makes them feel bad about themselves (as if their good image is something that they are entitled to), and even then the best excuse they can muster for why the hell we should do so is, "Well... I don't... do anything about those views..." essentially admitting the worthlessness of their views in any pragmatic or substantial sense.
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