The Rise of China

[CalaisDenmark]

Hey remember when China was literally committing a genocide against it's own people? Or how about that time they forced authoritarianism down the throats of a peaceful democratic system that wanted nothing to do with it (Hong Kong). Or how about that time they oppressed the people of Tibet for no logical reason? Or how about that time they completely disregarded international copyright laws to make a quick buck? Oh wait all of that is still happening right now?

Yeah. It's all still happening and stands as a testament to the moral corruption of the PRC, the illegitimate band of criminals that occupies the ROC for the time being. You may be optimistic about this but myself and any other sane person is not. The people living on the mainland won't see this rise in wealth as their overlords work them to death for almost no pay while controlling their lives and stifling any liberty they may enjoy. With any luck these predictions are wrong.

So this is the reason of ROC is better than PRC.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

The “people on the mainland [seeing] a rise in wealth” is exactly why the PRC is stable and internally popular despite being a corrupt, authoritarian leviathan. The legitimacy of their state is really based on their ability to deliver on economics.

Propaganda is a lot more convincing when the people can themselves see how much better their lives are compared to what their parents’ were like when they were the same age. Asides from the occasional muttering about air pollution, most urban-Chinese are pretty content with the way society is going. That’s the real reason why democratic movements in the PRC never get anywhere.

[Pan-Asiatic States]

NSG, what do you think the world will look like? I am very optimistic.

I too am very optimistic, and I bid the Chinese people good luck in their endeavor.

[CalaisDenmark]

The “people on the mainland [seeing] a rise in wealth” is exactly why the PRC is stable and internally popular despite being a corrupt, authoritarian leviathan. The legitimacy of their state is really based on their ability to deliver on economics.

Propaganda is a lot more convincing when the people can themselves see how much better their lives are compared to what their parents’ were like when they were the same age. Asides from the occasional muttering about air pollution, most urban-Chinese are pretty content with the way society is going. That’s the real reason why democratic movements in the PRC never get anywhere.

In fact, Southern Chinese provinces are very hate CCP.

[Ayytaly]

The “people on the mainland [seeing] a rise in wealth” is exactly why the PRC is stable and internally popular despite being a corrupt, authoritarian leviathan. The legitimacy of their state is really based on their ability to deliver on economics.

Propaganda is a lot more convincing when the people can themselves see how much better their lives are compared to what their parents’ were like when they were the same age. Asides from the occasional muttering about air pollution, most urban-Chinese are pretty content with the way society is going. That’s the real reason why democratic movements in the PRC never get anywhere.

In fact, Southern Chinese provinces are very hate CCP.

They're also closer to HK.

[Ultima Antivictoria]

I hate to burst the OP's bubble, but something soon will burst China's. Beijing is living on borrowed time. Literally and demographically.

[Sungoldy-China]

I hate to burst the OP's bubble, but something soon will burst China's. Beijing is living on borrowed time. Literally and demographically.

I think someone said the same thing 20 years ago, will it go repeated another 20 years ?

[Infected Mushroom]

I hate to burst the OP's bubble, but something soon will burst China's. Beijing is living on borrowed time. Literally and demographically.

Oh no! You think so?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I hate to burst the OP's bubble, but something soon will burst China's. Beijing is living on borrowed time. Literally and demographically.

In what way?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I hate to burst the OP's bubble, but something soon will burst China's. Beijing is living on borrowed time. Literally and demographically.

In what way?

The Chinese economy is known to be sitting on a ton of bubbles and it can't last forever without bursting. Given the snowball effect that'd have on the global economy as a whole yeah it'd be pretty bad.

[Infected Mushroom]

In what way?

The Chinese economy is known to be sitting on a ton of bubbles and it can't last forever without bursting. Given the snowball effect that'd have on the global economy as a whole yeah it'd be pretty bad.

What about the predictions that they would surpass the US GDP?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Chinese economy is known to be sitting on a ton of bubbles and it can't last forever without bursting. Given the snowball effect that'd have on the global economy as a whole yeah it'd be pretty bad.

What about the predictions that they would surpass the US GDP?

That has nothing to do with economic bubbles. We're sitting on a bunch too. Modern economics is just disastrously stupid like that.

[Infected Mushroom]

What about the predictions that they would surpass the US GDP?

That has nothing to do with economic bubbles. We're sitting on a bunch too. Modern economics is just disastrously stupid like that.

I don't understand. If the GDP is number one, doesn't that make the country number one economically? I thought the purpose of countries was to create order while raising the GDP.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That has nothing to do with economic bubbles. We're sitting on a bunch too. Modern economics is just disastrously stupid like that.

I don't understand. If the GDP is number one, doesn't that make the country number one economically? I thought the purpose of countries was to create order while raising the GDP.

So like did you just miss 2008 and think the number one economy can't collapse or what lol

[Infected Mushroom]

I don't understand. If the GDP is number one, doesn't that make the country number one economically? I thought the purpose of countries was to create order while raising the GDP.

So like did you just miss 2008 and think the number one economy can't collapse or what lol

but how did it collapse if the USA is still number one now? I'm so confused.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I thought the purpose of countries was to create order while raising the GDP.

Growth and development are related but clearly distinct concepts. Growth, greater wealth, is meaningless if it does not translate into development, an increased quality of life.

The average American may make way more money than the average person in my current country of residence, but I wouldn’t want to live there. The US economy does a terrible job of translating material production into human welfare.

[Infected Mushroom]

I thought the purpose of countries was to create order while raising the GDP.

Growth and development are related but clearly distinct concepts. Growth, greater wealth, is meaningless if it does not translate into development, an increased quality of life.

The average American may make way more money than the average person in my current country of residence, but I wouldn’t want to live there. The US economy does a terrible job of translating material production into human welfare.

For me it mainly comes down to the issue of the guns

but economically? I mean, low taxes, pretty high income, healthcare isn't "free" but you don't pay massive taxes for it so...

[Adamede]

So like did you just miss 2008 and think the number one economy can't collapse or what lol

but how did it collapse if the USA is still number one now? I'm so confused.

Ever heard of the Great Depression?

[Adamede]

Growth and development are related but clearly distinct concepts. Growth, greater wealth, is meaningless if it does not translate into development, an increased quality of life.

The average American may make way more money than the average person in my current country of residence, but I wouldn’t want to live there. The US economy does a terrible job of translating material production into human welfare.

For me it mainly comes down to the issue of the guns

but economically? I mean, low taxes, pretty high income, healthcare isn't "free" but you don't pay massive taxes for it so...

What a way over blown issue. But I’m fine with you not coming to my country. Already have too many people with politics like yours.

[Picairn]

but how did it collapse if the USA is still number one now? I'm so confused.

This doesn't make any sense. Business cycles are a thing (which means booms and recessions are periodic), although in the long run GDP still increases.

[Ultima Antivictoria]

In what way?

The Chinese economy is known to be sitting on a ton of bubbles and it can't last forever without bursting. Given the snowball effect that'd have on the global economy as a whole yeah it'd be pretty bad.

Especially after so many American bubbles have already burst. I predict global economic collapse as a mere matter of time. Complete anarchy and barbarism to follow. Wake up and smell the apocalypse.

[Zhouran]

[New haven america]

Hey remember when China was literally committing a genocide against it's own people? Or how about that time they forced authoritarianism down the throats of a peaceful democratic system that wanted nothing to do with it (Hong Kong). Or how about that time they oppressed the people of Tibet for no logical reason? Or how about that time they completely disregarded international copyright laws to make a quick buck? Oh wait all of that is still happening right now?

Yeah. It's all still happening and stands as a testament to the moral corruption of the PRC, the illegitimate band of criminals that occupies the ROC for the time being. You may be optimistic about this but myself and any other sane person is not. The people living on the mainland won't see this rise in wealth as their overlords work them to death for almost no pay while controlling their lives and stifling any liberty they may enjoy. With any luck these predictions are wrong.

There is actually a logical reason for it. It's not right or humane, but it's logical.

A. Tibet controls China's water, B. If it wasn't controlled by China, it'd be controlled by India.

A. Most of the most important Chinese rivers, including the likes of The Yellow, Yangtze, Mekong, etc... all start in Tibet. So whoever controls Tibet controls China's access to to water that can be used for agricultural, power, drinking, etc...
B. India. If China didn't control or hold power over Tibet, India definitely would, as they're much closer culturally and politically than China is to Tibet. Which would give India a massive leg up over China, and China doesn't like India very much so having a percieved enemy power having that type of leverage over them would be a political/geographical disaster for China.

So it's logical why they do. Not right, but logical.

[Vikanias]

In what way?

The Chinese economy is known to be sitting on a ton of bubbles and it can't last forever without bursting. Given the snowball effect that'd have on the global economy as a whole yeah it'd be pretty bad.

Yeah and China’s huge housing industry. It’s become so big because of China’s huge population. If the housing industry gets killed that’s gonna be disastrous for China.

IMO if your going to hate on China. Hate on its government. Not it’s people. Just a general thing for decency on this thread

[Vikanias]

Hey remember when China was literally committing a genocide against it's own people? Or how about that time they forced authoritarianism down the throats of a peaceful democratic system that wanted nothing to do with it (Hong Kong). Or how about that time they oppressed the people of Tibet for no logical reason? Or how about that time they completely disregarded international copyright laws to make a quick buck? Oh wait all of that is still happening right now?

Yeah. It's all still happening and stands as a testament to the moral corruption of the PRC, the illegitimate band of criminals that occupies the ROC for the time being. You may be optimistic about this but myself and any other sane person is not. The people living on the mainland won't see this rise in wealth as their overlords work them to death for almost no pay while controlling their lives and stifling any liberty they may enjoy. With any luck these predictions are wrong.

There is actually a logical reason for it. It's not right or humane, but it's logical.

A. Tibet controls China's water, B. If it wasn't controlled by China, it'd be controlled by India.

A. Most of the most important Chinese rivers, including the likes of The Yellow, Yangtze, Mekong, etc... all start in Tibet. So whoever controls Tibet controls China's access to to water that can be used for agricultural, power, drinking, etc...
B. India. If China didn't control or hold power over Tibet, India definitely would, as they're much closer culturally and politically than China is to Tibet. Which would give India a massive leg up over China, and China doesn't like India very much so having a percieved enemy power having that type of leverage over them would be a political/geographical disaster for China.

So it's logical why they do. Not right, but logical.

Here me out. Why not build better relations with them and not be a huge dick to people?