Can Homophobia Be Justified?

[Hjallvinter]

https://www.bing.com/search?q=pedo+LGBT ... 01&PC=HCTS

https://www.manipalthetalk.org/rights/p ... ason%20too.

https://afa.net/the-stand/culture/2019/ ... edophilia/

https://img.ifunny.co/images/0d2a725996 ... ba3b_1.jpg

https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/ ... -movement/

Like it or not, they're a part of your movement.

Links that really have no basis in reality or ridiculous memes seem like a load of shit to me.

Got anything other than links to websites that are opinion pieces? or are you going to attempt to get a rise out of people with your failed logic?

-Pedophiles are tying themselves to the LGBT community
-N-no t-theyre not

K.

[Daarwyrth]

Art, music, societies - they are part of human evolutionary history and fitness. Everything about the human condition can be traced back to evolution. Defending our evolutionary fitness is wise practice of our mental faculties, and homophobia is one such wise practice.

Still devoid of logic and reason. You willingly refuse to make use of your mental and emotional capacity to understand the value of each living being. The tools evolution gave you to understand why having a society is better than having chaos reign. So, no. You fail to practice your evolutionary fitness because you refuse to make use of what evolution gave you.

[Punished UMN]

Let me translate it for you: he said that he understands why someone would want to criminalize homosexual acts, not that he agrees with it.

He gets the rationale, therefore he agrees with it.

Getting the rationale is one step - many steps even - above understanding said rationale.

No, that's just not accurate. Understanding the rationale for something just means you understand what the person's viewpoint is, it has nothing to do with agreeing with their sentiment.

[Disgraces]

Let me translate it for you: he said that he understands why someone would want to criminalize homosexual acts, not that he agrees with it.

He gets the rationale, therefore he agrees with it.

Getting the rationale is one step - many steps even - above understanding said rationale.

Simply wrong.

[Palmyrion]

I'm rather certain Darwin didn't publish the study you cited.

he came up with the idea of kin selection, which is a neat mathematical proof of the utility of same-sex pairings in nature.

Gay couple can't reproduce, so they either contribute to raising their respective families' kin because they have no spawn of their own to take care of, or adopt children (in places where they legally can) to raise into adulthood.

The latter may not be "kin" selection in the strict definition of selecting for your own immediate and extended family's evolutionary fitness, but adopting an orphan and raising it to adulthood is still a major contributor to humanity's evolutionary fitness as a whole.

[Disgraces]

Let me translate it for you: he said that he understands why someone would want to criminalize homosexual acts, not that he agrees with it.

There is no logical or rational argument for the criminalization of homosexual acts. We don't criminalise having blue eyes or brown hair either.

Bad analogy, but FYI I'm against it too.

[Chuukango]

No, it's not, full stop. The fact that this is a legitimate discussion is pretty discouraging but hey- we get to see the mask off homophobes in all their glory- or rather shame. Good old NS forums.

[Palmyrion]

Links that really have no basis in reality or ridiculous memes seem like a load of shit to me.

Got anything other than links to websites that are opinion pieces? or are you going to attempt to get a rise out of people with your failed logic?

-Pedophiles are tying themselves to the LGBT community
-N-no t-theyre not

K.

Just because paedos are at the gate, asking to be let into the LGBT rights movement, doesn't mean they're part of it.

Just because they claim to be part of LGBT, doesn't mean they are. (And they will never be.)

Art, music, societies - they are part of human evolutionary history and fitness. Everything about the human condition can be traced back to evolution. Defending our evolutionary fitness is wise practice of our mental faculties, and homophobia is one such wise practice.

Still devoid of logic and reason. You willingly refuse to make use of your mental and emotional capacity to understand the value of each living being. The tools evolution gave you to understand why having a society is better than having chaos reign. So, no. You fail to practice your evolutionary fitness because you refuse to make use of what evolution gave you.

Evolution gave me the capacity to defend humanity's reproductive - and evolutionary - fitness and opposing homosexuality (and sodomy as a whole) is part of the use of that mental capacity.

[Necroghastia]

Let me translate it for you: he said that he understands why someone would want to criminalize homosexual acts, not that he agrees with it.

He gets the rationale, therefore he agrees with it.

Getting the rationale is one step - many steps even - above understanding said rationale.

nah my dude im pretty sure a lot of people say "get" to mean the same thing as "understand"
like ive got bones to pick with sun's ideology but i don't think this is a hill that even has a place to die on

[Daarwyrth]

There is no logical or rational argument for the criminalization of homosexual acts. We don't criminalise having blue eyes or brown hair either.

Bad analogy, but FYI I'm against it too.

No, it's a good analogy. People are born gay, it's a characteristic of their nature. Someone who has blue eyes or brown hair can't change that fact (unless they literally mask it with coloured contacts or hair dye). Their eyes will always be blue and their hair will always be brown. Identically, gay people can't change their sexual orientation. They can mask it (which is extremely unhealthy) but they can't change it.

[Sundiata]

Let me translate it for you: he said that he understands why someone would want to criminalize homosexual acts, not that he agrees with it.

There is no logical or rational argument for the criminalization of homosexual acts. We don't criminalise having blue eyes or brown hair either.

Not in any American jurisdiction or of the European Union. While morally repugnant in the EU or the US, it's a different argument under the jurisdiction of Saudi Arabia.

[Shazbotdom]

Links that really have no basis in reality or ridiculous memes seem like a load of shit to me.

Got anything other than links to websites that are opinion pieces? or are you going to attempt to get a rise out of people with your failed logic?

-Pedophiles are tying themselves to the LGBT community
-N-no t-theyre not

K.

When all your links are loads of unprecedented bullshit...that kinda means that they are unprecedented bullshit.

Sorry, but facts are facts.

[Hjallvinter]

No, it's not, full stop. The fact that this is a legitimate discussion is pretty discouraging but hey- we get to see the mask off homophobes in all their glory- or rather shame. Good old NS forums.

"How dare people have a discussion about slaughtering my sacred cows."

[Daarwyrth]

Evolution gave me the capacity to defend humanity's reproductive - and evolutionary - fitness and opposing homosexuality (and sodomy as a whole) is part of the use of that mental capacity.

Nope. You aren't practicing evolutionary fitness. You're defending a bias, a flawed bias. By doing so, you refuse to make use of your mental and emotional capacity.

[Picairn]

"How dare people have a discussion about slaughtering my sacred cows."

"How dare people stop me from spouting my bigoted beliefs!"

[Palmyrion]

There is no logical or rational argument for the criminalization of homosexual acts. We don't criminalise having blue eyes or brown hair either.

Not in any American jurisdiction or of the European Union. While morally repugnant in the EU or the US, it's a different argument under the jurisdiction of Saudi Arabia.

just overturn lawrence v texas and obergefell v hodges

Evolution gave me the capacity to defend humanity's reproductive - and evolutionary - fitness and opposing homosexuality (and sodomy as a whole) is part of the use of that mental capacity.

Nope. You aren't practicing evolutionary fitness. You're defending a bias, a flawed bias. By doing so, you refuse to make use of your mental and emotional capacity.

Biases are a part of human mental faculty. Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end, and thus will be harmful to the human species.

[Picairn]

just overturn lawrence v texas and obergefell v hodges

No, you're a tyrant if you want to criminalize gay marriage.

[Disgraces]

Bad analogy, but FYI I'm against it too.

No, it's a good analogy. People are born gay, it's a characteristic of their nature. Someone who has blue eyes or brown hair can't change that fact (unless they literally mask it with coloured contacts or hair dye). Their eyes will always be blue and their hair will always be brown. Identically, gay people can't change their sexual orientation. They can mask it (which is extremely unhealthy) but they can't change it.

Eye or hair color isn't a mental illness.

No, I'm not homophobic.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

Lmao of course homophobia can't be justified, what's next, is racism justified? Hate the person for their beliefs, not where they shove their junk

[Picairn]

Eye or hair color isn't a mental illness.

No, I'm not homophobic.

Did I hear a Freudian slip?

[Chuukango]

"How dare people have a discussion about slaughtering my sacred cows."

"How dare people stop me from spouting my bigoted beliefs!"

Can't say I think it's worth the effort to try and stop people in forums like these, especially the erh, not so subtle wind up jockeys like Mx. Hjallvinter. That's besides the point anyway, so I'll go back to enjoying my popcorn.

[Disgraces]

Just because they claim to be part of LGBT, doesn't mean they are. (And they will never be.)

Sounds familiar.

[Palmyrion]

just overturn lawrence v texas and obergefell v hodges

No, you're a tyrant if you want to criminalize gay marriage.

What you call tyranny, we call moral uprightness. —Tradcons

[Daarwyrth]

No, it's a good analogy. People are born gay, it's a characteristic of their nature. Someone who has blue eyes or brown hair can't change that fact (unless they literally mask it with coloured contacts or hair dye). Their eyes will always be blue and their hair will always be brown. Identically, gay people can't change their sexual orientation. They can mask it (which is extremely unhealthy) but they can't change it.

Eye or hair color isn't a mental illness.

No, I'm not homophobic.

Excuse me, mental illness? You call homosexuality a mental illness? And make the claim you're not homophobic? I guess you missed the memo about the WHO coming to their senses and scrapping homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses... sadly, I don't think there is any hope for you that you'll come to yours.

[Hjallvinter]

-Pedophiles are tying themselves to the LGBT community
-N-no t-theyre not

K.

When all your links are loads of unprecedented bullshit...that kinda means that they are unprecedented bullshit.

I know that your argument is dependent on goalpost moving. People asked for instances of pedophiles tying themselves to LGBT. I provided. You say it's not good enough because you don't want it to be good enough.

"Oh, but they're unwanted..."

It doesn't change the fact that they are with you, using that movement as a pretext to push their own ends, which was the original crux of the argument that led into this discussion.

Sorry, but facts are facts.