Can Homophobia Be Justified?

by **Sundiata** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:36 am

Palmyrion wrote:
Disgraces wrote:How the Hell did you understand that from what they said?

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:When did he say that?

Sundiata wrote:Ok, it's one thing to be morally opposed to homosexual acts. I get that. I even get the rationale for criminalizing homosexual acts.

Sundiata said this in a separate thread. What he doesn't know, is that anything he says anywhere at anytime, can be used against him, anywhere at anytime.

It's not even remotely constitutional to criminalize homosexual acts.

by **Palmyrion** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:37 am

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:
Kowani wrote:...no it wasn't lmao
NAMBLA was advocating for the legalization of pedophilia in a time when gay rights didn't exist yet
this is fucking incoherent

Interesting, I didn’t know that, and I certainly see where you’re coming from.
But many pedophiles today advocate for them being in the LGBTQ+.
But let’s stop arguing, we both agree that pedophilia is bad, and that homosexuality is good, and what more do we really need to agree on?

paedo hunter gang here

by **Palmyrion** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:38 am

Sundiata wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:

Sundiata said this in a separate thread. What he doesn't know, is that anything he says anywhere at anytime, can be used against him, anywhere at anytime.

It's not even remotely constitutional to criminalize homosexual acts.

Just overturn Lawrence v. Texas (among other SCOTUS rulings), and we're done.

And, gleaning from who you are, I can say you fully support such an overturn.

Do you know what's hypocritical about you ultra-tradcon Catholics when it comes to LGBT issues? You guys have a hateboner for sodomy - any sex act that isn't pee pee going off in pussy - yet your hateboner rages stronger for gays and lesbians that it does for straights who give head or anal instead of vaginal.

by **Kowani** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:38 am

Hjallvinter wrote:
Kowani wrote:...no it wasn't lmao
NAMBLA was advocating for the legalization of pedophilia in a time when gay rights didn't exist yet
this is fucking incoherent

you know
i'm getting really fucking tired of motte-and-bailey arguments
literally nobody claimed LGBT+ advocacy existed in a vacuum, by the way
that you failed to understand my point is your fault

You're tired because you're wrong. You literally claimed not even a page ago that none of what I cited was evident of a slippery slope in regards to the advocacy of LGBT, and now you're trying to deflect. It's ok. You can walk away from the screen whenever you like.

indeed
because the conversation SSL and I were having was specifically about pedophile advocacy in regards to LGBT+ rights
the rest of your spiel wasn't relevant to that
are you done?

by **Disgraces** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:39 am

Disgraces wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:

Sundiata said this in a separate thread. What he doesn't know, is that anything he says anywhere at anytime, can be used against him, anywhere at anytime.

How about you read the entire comment next time? He fucking said that locking up people for being gay is "morally repugnant".

by **Necroghastia** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:40 am

Hjallvinter wrote:
Kowani wrote:...no it wasn't lmao
NAMBLA was advocating for the legalization of pedophilia in a time when gay rights didn't exist yet
this is fucking incoherent

you know
i'm getting really fucking tired of motte-and-bailey arguments
literally nobody claimed LGBT+ advocacy existed in a vacuum, by the way
that you failed to understand my point is your fault

You're tired because you're wrong. You literally claimed not even a page ago that none of what I cited was evident of a slippery slope in regards to the advocacy of LGBT, and now you're trying to deflect. It's ok. You can walk away from the screen whenever you like.

it's almost as though listing a bunch of stuff and calling it an actual slippery slope without explaining why is such a bad argument that it is hard to argue against because there's so little of substance there

by **Daarwyrth** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:41 am

Homophobia is never justified. There is no logical argument nor any reasonable approach as to why homophobia would or could be justified. It simply is hate in its purest form and nothing can reasonably justify something of the sort.

by **Palmyrion** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:42 am

Disgraces wrote:
Disgraces wrote:How about you read the entire comment next time? He fucking said that locking up people for being gay is "morally repugnant".

He said we shouldn't lock up people for homosexual attractions. As for his opinion on locking up people for homosexual acts, he is in full agreement with such a stance.

Learn the difference. Or maybe not. Ignorance is bliss.

by **Hjallvinter** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:44 am

Kowani wrote:
Hjallvinter wrote:
You're tired because you're wrong. You literally claimed not even a page ago that none of what I cited was evident of a slippery slope in regards to the advocacy of LGBT, and now you're trying to deflect. It's ok. You can walk away from the screen whenever you like.

indeed
because the conversation SSL and I were having was specifically about pedophile advocacy in regards to LGBT+ rights
the rest of your spiel wasn't relevant to that
are you done?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=pedo+LGBT ... 01&PC=HCTS

https://www.manipalthetalk.org/rights/p ... ason%20too.

https://afa.net/the-stand/culture/2019/ ... edophilia/

https://img.ifunny.co/images/0d2a725996 ... ba3b_1.jpg

https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/ ... -movement/

Like it or not, they're a part of your movement.

by **Palmyrion** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:44 am

Daarwyrth wrote:Homophobia is never justified. There is no logical argument nor any reasonable approach as to why homophobia would or could be justified. It simply is hate in its purest form and nothing can reasonably justify something of the sort.

When you read up on Darwinism and evolution one can easily make a Darwinist justification for homophobia and gay bashing, so I'll make one.

gay bad because reproduction good

Oh wait, isn't that the same natural law argument Catholics have against The Big Gay (TM)?

by **Disgraces** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:45 am

Palmyrion wrote:
Disgraces wrote:

He said we shouldn't lock up people for homosexual attractions. As for his opinion on locking up people for homosexual acts, he is in full agreement with such a stance.

Learn the difference. Or maybe not. Ignorance is bliss.

He didn't; you lack reading comprehension.

by **Palmyrion** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:47 am

Disgraces wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:He said we shouldn't lock up people for homosexual attractions. As for his opinion on locking up people for homosexual acts, he is in full agreement with such a stance.

Learn the difference. Or maybe not. Ignorance is bliss.

He didn't; you lack reading comprehension.

Welcome to Compare and Contrast: The Game Show!

Sundiata wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Oh boy....

The state should not imprison people for being attracted to persons of the same-sex.

Sundiata wrote:
Turelisa- wrote:
The problem is homosexual sexual conduct is consensual sexual abuse. The factor of consent makes sodomy, anal or oral, with any part of the human body, no more acceptable, at least to me. If two addicts 'consented' to abuse themselves together in an orgy of drink or drugs, it would still be destructivery and morally wrong.

Ok, it's one thing to be morally opposed to homosexual acts. I get that. I even get the rationale for criminalizing homosexual acts.

by **Sundiata** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:47 am

Palmyrion wrote:
Disgraces wrote:

He said we shouldn't lock up people for homosexual attractions. As for his opinion on locking up people for homosexual acts, he is in full agreement with such a stance.

Learn the difference. Or maybe not. Ignorance is bliss.

We should not lock people up for homosexual acts on constitutional grounds. There is no basis for doing so, and attempting to do so would not just be morally repugnant but utterly dishonest.

by **Palmyrion** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:48 am

Hjallvinter wrote:
Kowani wrote:indeed
because the conversation SSL and I were having was specifically about pedophile advocacy in regards to LGBT+ rights
the rest of your spiel wasn't relevant to that
are you done?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=pedo+LGBT ... 01&PC=HCTS

https://www.manipalthetalk.org/rights/p ... ason%20too.

https://afa.net/the-stand/culture/2019/ ... edophilia/

https://img.ifunny.co/images/0d2a725996 ... ba3b_1.jpg

https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/ ... -movement/

Like it or not, they're a part of your movement.

They aren't called unwanted gate crashers for no reason. Thanks.

And that African Globe article, and others like it, says that paedos are simply vying to be part of the LGBT community, which is fiercely fighting against them. Vying to be part of something isn't being part of something.

by **Hjallvinter** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:49 am

Sundiata wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:He said we shouldn't lock up people for homosexual attractions. As for his opinion on locking up people for homosexual acts, he is in full agreement with such a stance.

Learn the difference. Or maybe not. Ignorance is bliss.

We should not lock people up for homosexual acts on constitutional grounds. There is no basis for doing so, and attempting to do so would not just be morally repugnant but utterly dishonest.

But demanding communities accept behaviors that they find immoral is totally okay.

by **Daarwyrth** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:49 am

Palmyrion wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:Homophobia is never justified. There is no logical argument nor any reasonable approach as to why homophobia would or could be justified. It simply is hate in its purest form and nothing can reasonably justify something of the sort.

When you read up on Darwinism and evolution one can easily make a Darwinist justification for homophobia and gay bashing, so I'll make one.

gay bad because reproduction good

Oh wait, isn't that the same natural law argument Catholics have against The Big Gay (TM)?

Not a reasonable argument. Humanity is more than mere evolution, more than simply reproduction. We create art, we create music, we create a society. We have have the mental and emotional capacity to understand the value of things and other people. Justifying homophobia the way you just did is to willingly refuse to make use of that mental and emotional capacity.

by **Hjallvinter** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:49 am

Palmyrion wrote:
Hjallvinter wrote:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=pedo+LGBT ... 01&PC=HCTS

https://www.manipalthetalk.org/rights/p ... ason%20too.

https://afa.net/the-stand/culture/2019/ ... edophilia/

https://img.ifunny.co/images/0d2a725996 ... ba3b_1.jpg

https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/ ... -movement/

Like it or not, they're a part of your movement.

They aren't called unwanted gate crashers for no reason. Thanks.

Unwanted or not, they are there. Life's tough like that.

by **Disgraces** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:51 am

Palmyrion wrote:
Disgraces wrote:He didn't; you lack reading comprehension.

Welcome to Compare and Contrast: The Game Show!

Sundiata wrote:
The state should not imprison people for being attracted to persons of the same-sex.

Sundiata wrote:Ok, it's one thing to be morally opposed to homosexual acts. I get that. I even get the rationale for criminalizing homosexual acts.

Let me translate it for you: he said that he understands why someone would want to criminalize homosexual acts, not that he agrees with it.

by **Palmyrion** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:53 am

Sundiata wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:He said we shouldn't lock up people for homosexual attractions. As for his opinion on locking up people for homosexual acts, he is in full agreement with such a stance.

Learn the difference. Or maybe not. Ignorance is bliss.

We should not lock people up for homosexual acts on constitutional grounds. There is no basis for doing so, and attempting to do so would not just be morally repugnant but utterly dishonest.

Hey, locking up people for what the tradcon Christians consider as sexual abuse isn't morally repugnant.

As for utter dishonesty, just overturn Lawrence vs. Texas and we're good to go.

Hjallvinter wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:They aren't called unwanted gate crashers for no reason. Thanks.

Unwanted or not, they are there. Life's tough like that.

Just because they're vying to be part of the LGBT rights movement doesn't mean they're part of it. In fact, we're fiercely fighting against them. If we used your logic, an immigrant vying to immigrate to the US is a US citizen.

Daarwyrth wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:When you read up on Darwinism and evolution one can easily make a Darwinist justification for homophobia and gay bashing, so I'll make one.

gay bad because reproduction good

Oh wait, isn't that the same natural law argument Catholics have against The Big Gay (TM)?

Not a reasonable argument. Humanity is more than mere evolution, more than simply reproduction. We create art, we create music, we create a society. We have have the mental and emotional capacity to understand the value of things and other people. Justifying homophobia the way you just did is refusing to make use of that mental capacity.

Art, music, societies - they are part of human evolutionary history and fitness. Everything about the human condition can be traced back to evolution. Defending our evolutionary fitness is wise practice of our mental faculties, and homophobia is one such wise practice.

by **Sundiata** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:53 am

Hjallvinter wrote:
Sundiata wrote:We should not lock people up for homosexual acts on constitutional grounds. There is no basis for doing so, and attempting to do so would not just be morally repugnant but utterly dishonest.

But demanding communities accept behaviors that they find immoral is totally okay.

Not arresting people for homosexual acts is not the same as morally accepting homosexual acts.

by **Shazbotdom** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:53 am

Hjallvinter wrote:
Kowani wrote:indeed
because the conversation SSL and I were having was specifically about pedophile advocacy in regards to LGBT+ rights
the rest of your spiel wasn't relevant to that
are you done?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=pedo+LGBT ... 01&PC=HCTS

https://www.manipalthetalk.org/rights/p ... ason%20too.

https://afa.net/the-stand/culture/2019/ ... edophilia/

https://img.ifunny.co/images/0d2a725996 ... ba3b_1.jpg

https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/ ... -movement/

Like it or not, they're a part of your movement.

Links that really have no basis in reality or ridiculous memes seem like a load of shit to me.

Got anything other than links to websites that are opinion pieces? or are you going to attempt to get a rise out of people with your failed logic?

by **Daarwyrth** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:54 am

Disgraces wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:Welcome to Compare and Contrast: The Game Show!

Let me translate it for you: he said that he understands why someone would want to criminalize homosexual acts, not that he agrees with it.

There is no logical or rational argument for the criminalization of homosexual acts. We don't criminalise having blue eyes or brown hair either.

by **Palmyrion** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:54 am

Disgraces wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:Welcome to Compare and Contrast: The Game Show!

Let me translate it for you: he said that he understands why someone would want to criminalize homosexual acts, not that he agrees with it.

He gets the rationale, therefore he agrees with it.

Getting the rationale is one step - many steps even - above understanding said rationale.

by **Nilokeras** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:54 am

Hjallvinter wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
This just in: Charles Darwin part of the replication crisis in psychology for some reason

I'm rather certain Darwin didn't publish the study you cited.

he came up with the idea of kin selection, which is a neat mathematical proof of the utility of same-sex pairings in nature.

by **Kowani** » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:54 am

Hjallvinter wrote:
Kowani wrote:indeed
because the conversation SSL and I were having was specifically about pedophile advocacy in regards to LGBT+ rights
the rest of your spiel wasn't relevant to that
are you done?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=pedo+LGBT ... 01&PC=HCTS

this proves literally nothing

https://www.manipalthetalk.org/rights/pedophilia-the-unwanted-gate-crasher-of-the-lgbtq-community/#:~:text=Pedophilia:%20The%20unwanted%20gate-crasher%20of%20the%20LGBTQ%20community,in%20your%20stomach,%20and%20for%20good%20reason%20too.

this disproves your own point
how do you even-
do people not read

https://afa.net/the-stand/culture/2019/ ... edophilia/

there are very stupid articles
and then there's this
there's the conflation of homosexuality and pedophilia with male victims (which is an extremely fucking important distinction because once you look at the context of what's going on-priests abusing kids-it makes sense why more of the victims are male
then you have the "i don't know how to cite studies but i want to sound authoritative' bs
...they also seem to think that the problem started in the '60's when it manifestly did not

https://img.ifunny.co/images/0d2a725996 ... ba3b_1.jpg

oh yeah one person thinks we should lower the age of consent
man you are gonna be shocked when you learn about history

https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/ ... -movement/

this does say not what you think it says
it's about pedophiles trying to enter the LGBT+ community
nothing about acceptance

Like it or not, they're a part of your movement.

swing and a miss

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