by Ellbonnia » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:32 pm
"Actually, it's more of a low-pitched, wheezing kind of short mumble. Like, do tapirs make any noises? It's a tapir sneeze."
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by United Chinese Communes » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:45 pm
by Picairn » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:46 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:47 pm
Picairn wrote:Nekostan coming in to justify Japanese imperialism in 3... 2... 1...
by Picairn » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:48 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:50 pm
by Ellbonnia » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:50 pm
United Chinese Communes wrote:As I see it, the Co-Prosperity Sphere project was an attempt to develop a hegemonic empire centred on Japanese dominance under the guise of opposing European imperialism. The people of Asia would not have been any better off under Japanese imperial-colonial rule than they would have been under that of the European powers, regardless of it's pan-asian ideological justification. The text An Investigation of Global Policy with the Yamato Race as Nucleus shows clear inspiration from European racial-colonial philosophy, a model that Japan sought to emulate through the 'liberation' of nations drawn into the Sphere.
"Actually, it's more of a low-pitched, wheezing kind of short mumble. Like, do tapirs make any noises? It's a tapir sneeze."
We're having a party and you're invited~
by Monsone » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:50 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:53 pm
Ellbonnia wrote:United Chinese Communes wrote:As I see it, the Co-Prosperity Sphere project was an attempt to develop a hegemonic empire centred on Japanese dominance under the guise of opposing European imperialism. The people of Asia would not have been any better off under Japanese imperial-colonial rule than they would have been under that of the European powers, regardless of it's pan-asian ideological justification. The text An Investigation of Global Policy with the Yamato Race as Nucleus shows clear inspiration from European racial-colonial philosophy, a model that Japan sought to emulate through the 'liberation' of nations drawn into the Sphere.
I've read about that particular document, which I found to be a great source of the Japanese perspective on the situation. In that same regard, I often hear defenders of the Co-Prosperity Sphere using this same logic as the Japanese did; mainly, that if they didn't establish hegemony over Asia, the white colonialists will.
I do not believe this justifies the Co-Prosperity Sphere, however, as what basically transpired was identical to the fears the Japanese warned the other Asian nations about regarding the Europeans, but with the Japanese as the "monsters" instead. I could maybe tack it to national psyche, but it is hard for me to comprehend how the Japanese were able to justify their warmongering as being any better than what the Europeans would have done, only because they're the ones committing these acts.
by Alcala-Cordel » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:53 pm
by Ellbonnia » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:54 pm
Monsone wrote:Colonialism, plain and simple. The "Co-Prosperity Sphere" was designed to benefit the Zaibatsu and the other political elites. It was at best a thinly veiled attempt at colonialism.
"Actually, it's more of a low-pitched, wheezing kind of short mumble. Like, do tapirs make any noises? It's a tapir sneeze."
We're having a party and you're invited~
by Alcala-Cordel » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:55 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Ellbonnia wrote:
I've read about that particular document, which I found to be a great source of the Japanese perspective on the situation. In that same regard, I often hear defenders of the Co-Prosperity Sphere using this same logic as the Japanese did; mainly, that if they didn't establish hegemony over Asia, the white colonialists will.
I do not believe this justifies the Co-Prosperity Sphere, however, as what basically transpired was identical to the fears the Japanese warned the other Asian nations about regarding the Europeans, but with the Japanese as the "monsters" instead. I could maybe tack it to national psyche, but it is hard for me to comprehend how the Japanese were able to justify their warmongering as being any better than what the Europeans would have done, only because they're the ones committing these acts.
There is a huge difference though since the Empire of Japan prevented global racial monopoly which just like all other monopolies are awful. Without the Empire of Japan you could have lived on some “subhuman reservation” or outright exterminated.
by The Horror Channel » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:56 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:56 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
There is a huge difference though since the Empire of Japan prevented global racial monopoly which just like all other monopolies are awful. Without the Empire of Japan you could have lived on some “subhuman reservation” or outright exterminated.
The Japanese Empire was horiffically brutal toward natives and it considered itself to be superior.
by Comerciante » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:57 pm
by Monsone » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:59 pm
Ellbonnia wrote:I would definitely agree in that regard, but what I found interesting was the fact the concept originated in a pacifistic philosopher named Kiyoshi Miki, who was opposed to the exact aggressive expansionism the Japanese were performing under this banner of pseudo-colonialism.
I suppose while the actual execution of the strategy was as straightforward as you and I make it out to be, the concept itself was not so violent in its intentions. I do not know whether it could have been implemented any other way, or if it was an inevitability not just for Japan but for any other nation attempting such an undertaking to warp it into a violent expansionist effort.
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:59 pm
by The Horror Channel » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:59 pm
United Chinese Communes wrote:As I see it, the Co-Prosperity Sphere project was an attempt to develop a hegemonic empire centred on Japanese dominance under the guise of opposing European imperialism. The people of Asia would not have been any better off under Japanese imperial-colonial rule than they would have been under that of the European powers, regardless of it's pan-asian ideological justification. The text An Investigation of Global Policy with the Yamato Race as Nucleus shows clear inspiration from European racial-colonial philosophy, a model that Japan sought to emulate through the 'liberation' of nations drawn into the Sphere.
by Alcala-Cordel » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:00 pm
by Picairn » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:00 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Yeah. Guess what? The world is full of assholes. The point is lowering the amount of total asshatry, not eliminating it for the latter is impossible.
by United Chinese Communes » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:01 pm
Ellbonnia wrote:United Chinese Communes wrote:As I see it, the Co-Prosperity Sphere project was an attempt to develop a hegemonic empire centred on Japanese dominance under the guise of opposing European imperialism. The people of Asia would not have been any better off under Japanese imperial-colonial rule than they would have been under that of the European powers, regardless of it's pan-asian ideological justification. The text An Investigation of Global Policy with the Yamato Race as Nucleus shows clear inspiration from European racial-colonial philosophy, a model that Japan sought to emulate through the 'liberation' of nations drawn into the Sphere.
I've read about that particular document, which I found to be a great source of the Japanese perspective on the situation. In that same regard, I often hear defenders of the Co-Prosperity Sphere using this same logic as the Japanese did; mainly, that if they didn't establish hegemony over Asia, the white colonialists will.
I do not believe this justifies the Co-Prosperity Sphere, however, as what basically transpired was identical to the fears the Japanese warned the other Asian nations about regarding the Europeans, but with the Japanese as the "monsters" instead. I could maybe tack it to national psyche, but it is hard for me to comprehend how the Japanese were able to justify their warmongering as being any better than what the Europeans would have done, only because they're the ones committing these acts.
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:02 pm
by Ellbonnia » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:02 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:There is a huge difference though since the Empire of Japan prevented global racial monopoly which just like all other monopolies are awful. Without the Empire of Japan you could have lived on some “subhuman reservation” or outright exterminated.
"Actually, it's more of a low-pitched, wheezing kind of short mumble. Like, do tapirs make any noises? It's a tapir sneeze."
We're having a party and you're invited~
by Alcala-Cordel » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:02 pm
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