Kowani wrote:Fedel wrote:
Depends on what argument you believe is being made when someone uses the term. It's certainly a term many use negatively to describe negative things but it has also been used to describe positive things in a negative way and all the other combination of descriptions that pop into your mind. This is the problem with these sorts of discussions.
the first tool for productive discussion: defining what one means when one uses certain words
confucius was right
While I know this comment is mostly meant to be humorous, when you're entering discussions like these where passions run high and the goal is usually not honest engagement on the part of many people participating in them, no truer words can be spoken.