by Sail Nation » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:51 am
by Sedgistan » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:16 am
[violet] wrote:Impersonation: Any attempt to maliciously impersonate another nation or region, including employing a similar name or attempting to hack nation or region passwords, is illegal according to the FAQ. Passing nations from one player to another is legal, but inadvisable as the receiver also inherits any warning history attached to the nation.
by Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:08 am
Frenchy II wrote:Hello, I obtained the password to the Embassy through a months long process where I...
Founded Traveling Wilburys as Nelson Wilbury, then sent out over 24000 embassy requests with a friend.
Exchanged methods with Ambassadors Reception.
Started doing a song of the day to keep the persona alive.
Then got the password after offering to help maintain the Embassy.
Oh boy am I now doing maintenance work!
by Sail Nation » Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:55 am
Lord Dominator wrote:Trust me, we raiders are quite aware of where the lines on passwords are, as are defenders. However, in this instance, the point has already publicly indicated how they got the password, prior to passing it on to all support:Frenchy II wrote:Hello, I obtained the password to the Embassy through a months long process where I...
Founded Traveling Wilburys as Nelson Wilbury, then sent out over 24000 embassy requests with a friend.
Exchanged methods with Ambassadors Reception.
Started doing a song of the day to keep the persona alive.
Then got the password after offering to help maintain the Embassy.
Oh boy am I now doing maintenance work!
by Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:01 am
by Anagonia » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:37 pm
by Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:16 pm
by Anagonia » Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:48 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Provided that we (raiders) gain your password through the legal means of convincing someone to give it to is (or getting someone inside prior to the password implementation), then yes you're out of luck in that regard.
by Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:01 pm
Anagonia wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:Provided that we (raiders) gain your password through the legal means of convincing someone to give it to is (or getting someone inside prior to the password implementation), then yes you're out of luck in that regard.
Does this include granting passwords to new members of password protected regions to permit them entry or is that excluded? For example, raider 1 plays as a prospective member and uses that to join a password region that has had a password for a while. So he's finally granted entry and given password, then raider 1 gives password to raider 2 and so forth. Is that legal?
by Anagonia » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:18 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Anagonia wrote:
Does this include granting passwords to new members of password protected regions to permit them entry or is that excluded? For example, raider 1 plays as a prospective member and uses that to join a password region that has had a password for a while. So he's finally granted entry and given password, then raider 1 gives password to raider 2 and so forth. Is that legal?
Yes - once someone has legally obtained the password, they can tell whomever they wish
by Frisbeeteria » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:31 pm
Anagonia wrote:Even if a region isn't willingly participating in the gameplay side of things, a raider can obtain a password through espionage,
by Flanderlion » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:50 pm
Anagonia wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:Yes - once someone has legally obtained the password, they can tell whomever they wish
Just to be clear.
Even if a region isn't willingly participating in the gameplay side of things, a raider can obtain a password through espionage, and because it's completely legal to obtain it after they were given the password in good faith for a different purpose, raiders are completely legal to raid the region and do what they want?
Thanks for your answers so far.
by The Universal Hegemony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:22 am
No, this is *NOT* legal.
In fact, it's stunning that you (or anyone) would think that bruteforce cracking a password would ever be considered legal."
by Lord Dominator » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:48 am
The Universal Hegemony wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=304114
The title rang a bell. From Ballotonia:No, this is *NOT* legal.
In fact, it's stunning that you (or anyone) would think that bruteforce cracking a password would ever be considered legal."
by Sedgistan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:50 am
[violet] wrote:Impersonation: Any attempt to maliciously impersonate another nation or region, including employing a similar name or attempting to hack nation or region passwords, is illegal according to the FAQ. Passing nations from one player to another is legal, but inadvisable as the receiver also inherits any warning history attached to the nation.
[violet] wrote:Nation Hijacking: Stealing someone else's nation by gaining their password is a very serious offense and likely to result in a permanent ban from the site. Note the section on shared accounts for when an account is shared.
[violet] wrote:Impersonation: Any attempt to maliciously impersonate another nation or region, including employing a similar name is illegal according to the FAQ. Note that the impersonation must be "malicious" to be a prohibited action, and we generally require the report to come from the impersonated party.
[violet] wrote:Nation Hijacking: Stealing someone else's nation by gaining their password is a very serious offense and likely to result in a permanent ban from the site. Note the section on shared accounts for when an account is shared.
Regional passwords: Attempting to hack, crack or guess a region's password is prohibited. Note that using deception to gain a region's password through someone giving it to you willingly is not prohibited, so long as other rules (e.g. on Malicious Impersonation) are not violated in the process.
by Anagonia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:53 am
by Sedgistan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:57 am
by Comfed » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:57 am
by Anagonia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:05 am
Comfed wrote:As far as I know guessing the password, even if you guess correctly, is against the rules. Someone giving you the password and you entering the region is fine, which is why you have to be very careful with who you tell the password.
Sedgistan wrote:You've given two situations in there, both of which are answered in the wording of the rule - guessing a password is illegal; being given it willingly is not.
A founder with a non-executive delegate position in their region cannot be banned unless they appoint a regional officer with border control powers.
by Sedgistan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:17 am
by Anagonia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:30 am
Sedgistan wrote:If a founder does the following:
1) doesn't cease to exist
2) remains in their region
3) ensures the Delegate position is non-executive
4) does not appoint any Regional Officers with Border Control powers
There is nothing at all that can be done to remove them from that region.
This is straying from the rules issue clarification that's been discussed in this thread.
by Lord Dominator » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:43 am
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