The American & Pacific Rim Crisis [MT/MT+, Semi-Closed, OOC]

[The Union of British North America]

IC: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=497780

The New World is suffering the impending scourge of war. The North American Union, the oldest and most powerful nation in the United British Commonwealth of Nations, is in an intractable cold war with a new regional rival: the Catholic Republic of Langenia. The two giants dominate American trade, military power, energy sectors, and industrial output, but they are diametrically opposed to one another ideologically. The NAU is a multinational and federal parliamentary democracy with the Britannic sovereign as their head of state and symbol of Anglosphere prestige and power, power and prestige that is waning since the start of the century. Langenia is a centuries old nation developed from intermarriage and codependence of native peoples and later Europeans where culture and language became a unique blend of the two, but Langenia established decades ago an authoritarian regime that promises security and prosperity if all serve the state and the Supreme Leader.

Military power, economic power, and geopolitical power are all key to maintaining control of the American subcontinents.

Who will be the new constable of the New World? Who will help the NAU or Langenia reach dominance from the Arctic to the Strait of Magellan? Or will another player in this great game geopolitics emerge?

For players interested in this, you may apply on the OOC thread or telegram me, The Union of British North America, as I will be OP. Langenia will be deputy OP and we'll make any major decisions jointly.

Obviously, NS accounts set as countries in the Americas will be preferred as players (including fictional countries set in the Americas or alternate history countries), or those willing to play as countries in the Americas. Countries outside the Americas will be considered along with their role, but not too many are to be expected.

Please confer with the maps and geography of The Union of British North America or Langenia for where you could participate.

Examples of American countries (that are not ruled out by North America or Langenia because of already claimed geography):
- Mexico
- Brazil
- Argentina/Patagonia
- Chile
- Uruguay

Rules:
1. No godmodding or metagaming.
2. Keep military forces and technology within MT or MT+ (talk with the UBNA or Langenia if you have questions). Fictional but modern tech equipment is acceptable, but subject to confirmation among the OP and deputy OP. Also keep military tactics and operations within realism (logistics, people, logistics).
3. Keep OOC in OOC, keep IC in IC.
4. Invasions and other major military events (like treaties, WMDs, things like that) must be discussed before hand to hammer out the agreed outcomes among players.
5. Be fair, reasonable, and not a mean person. The UBNA and Langenia both have the collective and individual power to remove players who fail to follow the rules, including escalation to NS mods.

[The Union of British North America]

Bengal and Assam, your map claim and country claim are both accepted by me and Langenia.

Piikala, your map and country claims are both accepted by me and Langenia.

[The Union of British North America]

*This is a country summary in the context of the impending RP, a preview of what the NAU is and what it thinks.

The NAU is a federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy and continental union that has, since its inception, been at the forefront of establishing a new geopolitical order, an order while hegemonic is also relatively benevolent and liberal--perhaps hypocritical, but hypocrisy can be a means to an end; realism does mean willing to do bad as well as good, but realizing that having enlightened national interest aligned higher common interests and promoting them is an improvement. Perhaps that is how peace is maintained.

The NAU was the first to promote with its Mother Country a union of English-speaking peoples over a strictly colonial-imperial relationship, and the first promote the reorganization of the democratic imperialist British Empire to a pluricontinental economic and military web of partnerships of countries that is the United British Commonwealth of Nations. The reformation of the imperial peace into a liberal peace.

But as the Pax Anglo-Saxonica that defined the 20th century came to an end in the 21st with the rise of a new power on the American continent and a resurgence of an old. While the northern subcontinent of America was the domain of the NAU and thus the United Commonwealth's fortress and factory, a rival emerged on the southern subcontinent--Langenia. Not the first challenger to Anglo-American power, and not the last, but it is the current one and the most close. Closer than what the NAU and UC want. Trade and political disputes have been so far been battled diplomatically, but even that is failing. Swords are being sharpened and sabres are rattling in both capitals of the American powers.

Argentina has been a steadfast friend of the NAU, until now. A part of the United Commonwealth's "Informal Empire" of international commercial relations, deep trade links and political connections that make the relationship between Buenos Aires and Philadelphia mutually beneficial, but recent policy moves by the still-existing democratic government has put a strain on trade talks. There has also been rumors in NAU intelligence circles of rising nationalism and grumbles of Argentine military officers, particularly over the matter of the Falkland Islands, a British overseas dependency but an important territory in the UC's South Atlantic strategy. While Argentina is not as combative as the growing Langenian threat, it could help or hinder the United Commonwealth in the South American subcontinent.

The other rival of the United Commonwealth, on the other side of the Pacific, has been a steady opponent since the end of the Great Global War that changed many things as well as destroyed--Piikala. From the crucible of world war the East Asian and Russian powers emerged along with the NAU as the leading nation of the United Commonwealth and entered into silent war with one another--proxy conflicts, espionage, technological and scientific races, and the atom bomb being the Sword of Damocles above all their heads. But the Russian Bear sleeps, for now, and Piikala hopes to obtain hegemony over the Pacific, desiring the associate members of the United Commonwealth in SE Asia and the NAU and UC's forward positions on islands in the Eastern Pacific, such as Hawaii. The skies and waves will be where the fates of these lands are decided.

The NAU desires to maintain the order, but can it?

[Bengal and Assam]

*This is a country summary in the context of the impending RP, a preview of what the Confederation of La Plata is and what it thinks.

The Confederation of La Plata(Confederación de La Plata) is, as of the moment a liberal democratic republic. However, this has not been always so. A former colony of Spain, ever since the inception of the Confederation as a sovereign nation, it has bounced around from being a democracy to a military dictatorship, and vice versa.

Such political instability has been complemented with a stable economy, with all sides vying to take political control of the country agreeing on keeping the hand of the government out of the free market, aside from the occasional subsidy to entrepreneurs and new businesses of La Platan origin of course.

For an entire century, La Plata has conformed to the Anglo-American World Order, while remaining neutral in “cold wars” that broke out between what Buenos Aires called the “Anglo American Imperial Alliance” and other powers. Anti Commonwealth criticism was burshed aside during periods of democratic rule, and outright silenced during the periods of military dictatorships that dotted La Plata’s history.

The Government and party of President Kirchner has always leaned towards the Commonwealth, mainly due to the geographical proximity of its biggest power in North America, and “all of the money being over there”, with the NAU being the biggest investor of the “World Factory in the South”. However, with another power that can challenge the North American Union forming up on La Plata’s immediate border, many people are questioning this close relationship with the NAU, and nationalist groups are bringing up issues such as “the Malvinas Question”. Recent activities within the military has made it ripe to pull off another coup, possibly ending a couple decades of democratic governance in Argentina for the 5th time in the nation’s history.

[Piikala]

The Imperial State of Piikala, an old nation built upon a Japanese clan's ideals that left japan after holding out against the Yamato clan's rule for centuries. These great warriors were exiled to the rising sun told never to return to the Japanese islands unless they wish death. Who arrived on the Piikalan home islands and fought valiantly with the natives who settled the islands a mere five hundred years before until, after years of fighting, they made peace and united with each other by marrying the two ruling clans to unite the main island and conquer the outlying islands in brutal conflict. It was after uniting the islands they proceeded to trade with the world bringing things such as guns and cannons till the thirteenth century when the Piikalan nation received word from the Arab traders of a growing empire made of horseback savages that were expanding off its western coasts and had taken down the great Chinese empire before it. This scared the Piikalans, so they closed their borders formed the world and started to rapidly develop new, more efficient guns and bolster their defenses for the next four centuries until 1776 when two British ships, the HMS Resolution, and HMS Discovery, sailed into the Piikalan islands where the were quickly sunk by cannon fire, and the serving crew was taken in to examine by the Piikalans who wanted to know if they where the savages the Arabs had mentioned the years before. After much examination of these peculiar white beasts, the Piikalans deemed them a lesser human-based species upon their lack of sanitary habits and their culture and ideas that they found to be stupid such as Christianity and enlightenment philosophy, both of which they had banished from Piikala till the 1980s. So had the men killed and examined with one a certain man who called himself James Cook being taxidermied, and he's in the Piikalan Imperial palace's scroll room to this day. After further interaction with the west in the mid-nineteenth, Piikala opened its doors and was rapidly industrialized, becoming an industrial power that surpassed its labor Japan. In part to a mineral-rich Piikalan Alps and a larger population and existing canal system built in the fourteenth century. This allowed Piikala to join forces with Japan and invade Asia in the 1930s, where they, with their Japanese allies, quickly gained control in China and Asia. Until Piikala absorbed the Japanese empire in the mid-1940s after Piikalan commanders feel that the Japanese, after the fall of their axis allies, were weak and fragile and so decided to invade, it was also at this time that Piikala advances into Oceania invading islands all the way from Rapanui and the Galapagos to the islands of Guam and Papua New Guinea. This was done to give the Piikalan home islands a barrier in case of an attack from the peoples of North America and Europe who they feared might still be mad over Captain Cook and Commodore Perry's death and also to allow for Piikalas ambitions to unite the world under a single Hale(House) ruled by the Piikalan emperor. A Piikalan diet eventually being created for the Piikalan state in only 1990, which received much protest from the Piikalan people who saw it as something evil and heinous meant to destroy the empire. At the same time, its businessmen expanded their factories on the Asian mainland and Japan. They started to trade with the world becoming a global factory producing everything from clothes to computers. Simultaneously, the government-subsidized large indoor aquaponics farms and orchards, causing Pikala to become one of the major exporters of foodstuffs in the world. These things, along with business-friendly and free trade legislation, allowed for the growth of the Piikalan nation's economy and the eventual rise as an industrial powerhouse in the sixties.


It's now in this state that the Piikalan Empire sets its sights on global domination as it wishes to expand its control into the North American continent and the Pacific. So has decided to do all that it must to expand its influence in the region and invest its intelligence and cyber resources into learning about the foreign UC nation and its allies in South America. While collaborating with the Langenian state, a Christian nation the Piikalans had decided to work with as they saw them more bearable than the UC nations and so desires to ally to bring down the west. At the same time, continuing to advance its technologies to maintain its lead in space and on the computer while advancing its territories and seeking new resources to feed its growing populations in east Asia. Thus it shall take up arms and expand into the Pacific, rising from the East the fulling its name as the Rising Sun(The rising sun is the meaning of the name Piikala in Hawaiian). Along with fulfilling a hundred-plus-year-old promise made by the great grandfather of the current Piikalan emperor to an old exiled queen to liberate her nation of Hawaii and its people and restore its government in exchange for the arranged marriage of her daughter to the son of the Piikalan emperor. A promise the Piikalan emperors have longed to fulfill to this day.

[The Union of British North America]

Excellent replies. I had no idea Piikala killed and stuffed James Cook as a taxidermic trophy. That'll be a good reason why the UC and Piikala don't have the best of bilateral relations. I'll have the IC thread up soon.

Also, we can refer to real life people in our universes unless it is so lore-breaking for one or any of us for this RP. Darwin and Marx would be acceptable for any of us I imagine (I have fictional placeholder characters for them, but I can switch them out no worry), but, for example, not Winston Churchill, Stalin, or Hitler for my lore regarding a mid-20th century world war.

[Bengal and Assam]

My lore for Argentina would be that the British hit the Spanish hard during the wars of the 1800s in Rio de La Plata, and this ended in a full Spanish withdrawal from the New World(aside from Chile and Uruguay, Uruguay would eventually join La Plata, but Chile would become a nation of its own).

While La Plata would be an assosiated state of the British Empire throughout the 19th century, your equivalent of the 1st world war would drive it to neutrality. The 20th century=a series of nationalist coups by the military, and a series of left wing and centrist elected governments.

I wish to have real some real life people, such as Belgrano, who in this world will work out the agreement for La Platan independence with the British, mainly so that a ship of his namesake exists to be sunk. And also, the current Argentinean VP as PM of La Plata

[The Union of British North America]

My lore for Argentina would be that the British hit the Spanish hard during the wars of the 1800s in Rio de La Plata, and this ended in a full Spanish withdrawal from the New World(aside from Chile and Uruguay, Uruguay would eventually join La Plata, but Chile would become a nation of its own).

While La Plata would be an assosiated state of the British Empire throughout the 19th century, your equivalent of the 1st world war would drive it to neutrality. The 20th century=a series of nationalist coups by the military, and a series of left wing and centrist elected governments.

I wish to have real some real life people, such as Belgrano, who in this world will work out the agreement for La Platan independence with the British, mainly so that a ship of his namesake exists to be sunk. And also, the current Argentinean VP as PM of La Plata

I could compromise on a generic socialist Russia.

[Piikala]

Excellent replies. I had no idea Piikala killed and stuffed James Cook as a taxidermic trophy. That'll be a good reason why the UC and Piikala don't have the best bilateral relations. I'll have the IC thread up soon.

Also, we can refer to real life people in our universes unless it is so lore-breaking for one or any of us for this RP. Darwin and Marx would be acceptable for any of us I imagine (I have fictional placeholder characters for them, but I can switch them out no worry), but, for example, not Winston Churchill, Stalin, or Hitler for my lore regarding a mid-20th century world war.

I thought we could also have some territorial disputes in Asia since Piikala controls a decent amount of the Malaca straits with Indonesia and controls the china coastline. Along with Piikala threatening to cut off Hong Kongs food and water, maybe?

[Bengal and Assam]

Excellent replies. I had no idea Piikala killed and stuffed James Cook as a taxidermic trophy. That'll be a good reason why the UC and Piikala don't have the best bilateral relations. I'll have the IC thread up soon.

Also, we can refer to real life people in our universes unless it is so lore-breaking for one or any of us for this RP. Darwin and Marx would be acceptable for any of us I imagine (I have fictional placeholder characters for them, but I can switch them out no worry), but, for example, not Winston Churchill, Stalin, or Hitler for my lore regarding a mid-20th century world war.

I thought we could also have some territorial disputes in Asia since Piikala controls a decent amount of the Malaca straits with Indonesia and controls the china coastline. Along with Piikala threatening to cut off Hong Kongs food and water, maybe?

So NAU(<who I guess would RP parttime as the UK) would keep HK and Weihai?

[The Union of British North America]

Excellent replies. I had no idea Piikala killed and stuffed James Cook as a taxidermic trophy. That'll be a good reason why the UC and Piikala don't have the best bilateral relations. I'll have the IC thread up soon.

Also, we can refer to real life people in our universes unless it is so lore-breaking for one or any of us for this RP. Darwin and Marx would be acceptable for any of us I imagine (I have fictional placeholder characters for them, but I can switch them out no worry), but, for example, not Winston Churchill, Stalin, or Hitler for my lore regarding a mid-20th century world war.

I thought we could also have some territorial disputes in Asia since Piikala controls a decent amount of the Malaca straits with Indonesia and controls the china coastline. Along with Piikala threatening to cut off Hong Kongs food and water, maybe?

Potentially. I can see small ship combat in Indonesia, like patrol boats, frigates and destroyers going at it. HK would have a stalemate but everyone expects HK to surrender at that point.

Perhaps a border dispute with Sarawak?

[The Union of British North America]

I thought we could also have some territorial disputes in Asia since Piikala controls a decent amount of the Malaca straits with Indonesia and controls the china coastline. Along with Piikala threatening to cut off Hong Kongs food and water, maybe?

So NAU(<who I guess would RP parttime as the UK) would keep HK and Weihai?

Yes, until a Britain comes along I suppose. I am part-timing RPing for the whole United British Commonwealth of Nations but I won't commit serious military forces from other UC members, might have token military forces like a British officer for example. Perhaps a training unit.

[Piikala]

I thought we could also have some territorial disputes in Asia since Piikala controls a decent amount of the Malaca straits with Indonesia and controls the china coastline. Along with Piikala threatening to cut off Hong Kongs food and water, maybe?

Potentially. I can see small ship combat in Indonesia, like patrol boats, frigates and destroyers going at it. HK would have a stalemate but everyone expects HK to surrender at that point.

Perhaps a border dispute with Sarawak?

Maybe I was thinking there could be a land battle on Battam since it's close to Singapore and some land skirmishes on Borneo?

[The Union of British North America]

Potentially. I can see small ship combat in Indonesia, like patrol boats, frigates and destroyers going at it. HK would have a stalemate but everyone expects HK to surrender at that point.

Perhaps a border dispute with Sarawak?

Maybe I was thinking there could be a land battle on Battam since it's close to Singapore and some land skirmishes on Borneo?

Ok. NAU forces hold off against Piikalan forces. Ballistic missiles and NAU practices amphibious invasions? Or just pot shots?

[Bengal and Assam]

So NAU(<who I guess would RP parttime as the UK) would keep HK and Weihai?

Yes, until a Britain comes along I suppose. I am part-timing RPing for the whole United British Commonwealth of Nations but I won't commit serious military forces from other UC members, might have token military forces like a British officer for example. Perhaps a training unit.

A Kawanese unit training for the Handover(Kawnaese entry into the Commonwealth) transition of the Royal Bengal Defence Force from the CPS into the Commonwealth military structure in the NAU making a canon appearance would be nice tho

Nice first post btw... I'll make something about the government's thoughts on recent events(border clash) up north, and the military making noise behind the scenes.

[Piikala]

Maybe I was thinking there could be a land battle on Battam since it's close to Singapore and some land skirmishes on Borneo?

Ok. NAU forces hold off against Piikalan forces. Ballistic missiles and NAU practices amphibious invasions? Or just pot shots?

I was thinking just potshots that could escalate?

[Langenia]

Langenia is a unitary one-party semi-presidential Catholic republic that takes up most of the north of the South American continent that has been since the very beginning of its modern-day existence ever-expanding, ever seeking power and influence on the world stage. Established after the Incan people with disgruntled Spanish colonists evicted their Spaniard invaders and restored control over the land in the 16th century, Langenia has been suspicious of non-natives that intrude into its sphere of influence, its fortress and kingdom: Latin America. The only good thing Langenians see that the Spaniards did was bring the "light" of Christianity.

Ever since Great Britain established a world order according to its objectives, Langenia has sought to undermine it, seeing the world order as an attempt by the Europeans to take its native land, only briefly siding with the Anglo world order when it found it beneficial, for example World War II. Other then that, the Langenians have backed movements in the Americas that kicked out European control in the region, for example supporting La Plata when it reverts to autocratic military governments hostile to the British Commonwealth, or, even further back, supporting the Latin American independence movements.

The existence of the NAU and Commonwealth possessions in North America, particularly, is perceived as a threat by many Langenians, who see it as the last stronghold of European imperialism on the continent. Contributing more fuel to this antagonism is the fact that the NAU supports democracy, something that nearly broke Langenia during the 1919 revolution, as well as secularism, something Catholic-majority Langenia can't accept. The Langenians wish to see the end of any European political influence in the Americas, and seek to create a new world order, a new American world order, to replace the Anglo one. To do this, they are willing to recruit allies in the region and in other continents, those willing to bring down the NAU, namely, Asia's Piikala, who expands and contradicts North American control of the Pacific, something they approve of.

Langenia hopes to seize control of the Americas, all the way from the Northwest Passage to Tierra del Fuego. They will rule the Pacific with Piikala as well. But the NAU stands in their way, and this will create an inevitable clash. Will they create the new world order that they seek?

[Bengal and Assam]

Langenia and La Plata shall either fight against each other in the forests, or fight alongside each other in the Falkland Islands...

Mexico's your main target, innit Langenia?

[Piikala]

I wondered if Langenia and Piikala could be having a coast guard training exercise in the Caribbean at the start of the conflict? To help build a relationship that could be used later on in the RP?

[Langenia]

Langenia and La Plata shall either fight against each other in the forests, or fight alongside each other in the Falkland Islands...

Mexico's your main target, innit Langenia?

My main target depends on who I find the closest. *Ahem, the Panama Canal*

I wondered if Langenia and Piikala could be having a coast guard training exercise in the Caribbean at the start of the conflict? To help build a relationship that could be used later on in the RP?

How about a naval exercise on the Pacific side of the Panama Canal?

[Piikala]

Langenia and La Plata shall either fight against each other in the forests, or fight alongside each other in the Falkland Islands...

Mexico's your main target, innit Langenia?

My main target depends on who I find the closest. *Ahem, the Panama Canal*

I wondered if Langenia and Piikala could be having a coast guard training exercise in the Caribbean at the start of the conflict? To help build a relationship that could be used later on in the RP?

How about a naval exercise on the Pacific side of the Panama Canal?

Sure, that would work. I was thinking then Piikala would probably send in the Piikalan coast guard, which is basically the same thing as the Imperial Piikalan navy and Naval self-defense force of Piikala since Piikala won't want to draw too much suspision.

[Langenia]

My main target depends on who I find the closest. *Ahem, the Panama Canal*



How about a naval exercise on the Pacific side of the Panama Canal?

Sure, that would work. I was thinking then Piikala would probably send in the Piikalan coast guard, which is basically the same thing as the Imperial Piikalan navy and Naval self-defense force of Piikala since Piikala won't want to draw too much suspision.

I honestly think an exercise in international waters close to the Canal would draw suspicion, but that is the point in my view, flex military might to the NAU.

[Piikala]

Sure, that would work. I was thinking then Piikala would probably send in the Piikalan coast guard, which is basically the same thing as the Imperial Piikalan navy and Naval self-defense force of Piikala since Piikala won't want to draw too much suspision.

I honestly think an exercise in international waters close to the Canal would draw suspicion, but that is the point in my view, flex military might to the NAU.

I was also thinking that Piikala would be sending its large secret fleet of carrier subs to the NAU coast for an operation on its western naval basses, so I wouldn't want to make it look like they're doing any, too big in the western pacific. Simultaneously, the main Piikalan navy has a live-fire training exercise in the eastern pacific to distract the NAU while using its cyber force to disrupt communications and infrastructure.

[The Democratic Republic of Nytoa]

OOC: How can I join this rp?

[Piikala]

OOC: How can I join this rp?

You can TG either Langenia or The union of British north america