Do we even need police?

[Albrenia]

On the topic of if we need police, I think we do, at least in the sort of societies we currently inhabit.

[Des-Bal]

Again, massive intervention by the ominant ideology. Every major society seemed indestructible at its peak and imposed its will on others.

And every loser thought they had a chance, the scoreboard requires no justification.

On the topic of if we need police, I think we do, at least in the sort of societies we currently inhabit.

If you have laws you need police because police enforce laws. There's mob justice but then there's really only one law which is be on the right side of the biggest mob.

[National Capitalist United States]

Join National Syndicalism, it’s the economic equality and prosperity of theoretical communism without the bad economic policies and hate-boner for nationhood and cultural values

I prefer keeping my Jewish friends alive, so I'll decline.

Hey, you just so you know:

Fascism ≠ Nazism

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I prefer keeping my Jewish friends alive, so I'll decline.

Hey, you just so you know:

Fascism ≠ Nazism

Any ideology that begins with the word national = sus as fuck for anyone who isn't part of the dominant ethnic group/religion/culture

[Cordel One]

Again, massive intervention by the ominant ideology. Every major society seemed indestructible at its peak and imposed its will on others.

And every loser thought they had a chance, the scoreboard requires no justification.

The dominant power says this every time.

[Des-Bal]

The dominant power says this every time.

Lots of people do. Because when something is working that is evidence it can work and when something has never worked that is evidence it can't.

[Kubra]

Again, massive intervention by the ominant ideology. Every major society seemed indestructible at its peak and imposed its will on others.

And every loser thought they had a chance, the scoreboard requires no justification.

On the topic of if we need police, I think we do, at least in the sort of societies we currently inhabit.

If you have laws you need police because police enforce laws. There's mob justice but then there's really only one law which is be on the right side of the biggest mob.

on the former topic, if that were so 1848 and its ramifications ought not have happened. To say nothing of the rest of Europe, a Bourbon cadet on the French throne spoke for itself, no? But that's an extreme oversimplification of a complex series of events, no?

On the latter topic, what we call "police" is quite a new thing, a mere few centuries, if which it took time to replace far more cruel instruments of law enforcement, and of course sometimes becoming more cruel than them in turn. Not to say we should be comparing the NKVD to the London Met, but some perspective is perhaps needed.

[National Capitalist United States]

Hey, you just so you know:

Fascism ≠ Nazism

Any ideology that begins with the word national = sus as fuck for anyone who isn't part of the dominant ethnic group/religion/culture

I mean, there's a huge difference between cultural nationalism and white supremacy

[Cordel One]

The dominant power says this every time.

Lots of people do. Because when something is working that is evidence it can work and when something has never worked that is evidence it can't.

Which is exactly why the Roman Empire will never fa-

oh, wait. It collapsed after its golden age like all empires do. Do you really think this is the pinnacle of advancement, that we can't go any further? Someday we'll all be ancient history.

[Sanghyeok]

The dominant power says this every time.

Lots of people do. Because when something is working that is evidence it can work and when something has never worked that is evidence it can't.

Should we return to feudalism or slave society then?

[Cordel One]

Lots of people do. Because when something is working that is evidence it can work and when something has never worked that is evidence it can't.

Should we return to feudalism or slave society then?

"The people of France tried to get more of a say and they ended up with Napoleon, clearly the idea of democracy doesn't work"

A few hundred years ago this wouuld be about as accurate to society at the time as Des-Bal's is to this one.

[Des-Bal]

Which is exactly why the Roman Empire will never fa-

oh, wait. It collapsed after its golden age like all empires do. Do you really think this is the pinnacle of advancement, that we can't go any further? Someday we'll all be ancient history.

You've created a connection between "this functions" and "this is flawless" that I did not.

"The people of France tried to get more of a say and they ended up with Napoleon, clearly the idea of democracy doesn't work"

A few hundred years ago this wouuld be about as accurate to society at the time as Des-Bal's is to this one.

It would be wildly different because communism didn't fail once. It's an idiotic system and you can't go from "something could eventually work better" to "this thing that never works is better." You're not looking to the future you're smearing the same non-working shit everywhere.

Should we return to feudalism or slave society then?

As an alternative to our current functioning systems? No, because they're functioning and unless you can make the case the antiquated systems function better why change? As an alternative to communism? Sure, go ahead. The great thing about unworkable ideas is that the stupidest workable idea you come up with is better.

[Arvenia]

Police are often seen as something necessary to protect lives, prevent crime, and preserve order. However, in practice this has rarely been the case in countries around the world. Instead, cases abound where police have failed to complete their duties, and instead not only bring harm to their communities through brutalising and terrorising their residents through beatings and sexual assault, continuously place business interests above the common people's, and preserving property instead of lives among others. Instead, some policy makers propose replacing police with solutions we know to be effective, such as rehabilitation of criminals as opposed to punitive punishment, decriminalising non-violent crimes, and spend more on mental health care, housing and education.

What do you think about police abolition entirely (in all nations) ? I support immediate reforms to reduce police power and provide more funding to welfare initiatives that reduce incentives and necessity for crime, with a long term plan of removing police as an institution.

How do we combat crime without police?

[The Two Jerseys]

Police are often seen as something necessary to protect lives, prevent crime, and preserve order. However, in practice this has rarely been the case in countries around the world. Instead, cases abound where police have failed to complete their duties, and instead not only bring harm to their communities through brutalising and terrorising their residents through beatings and sexual assault, continuously place business interests above the common people's, and preserving property instead of lives among others. Instead, some policy makers propose replacing police with solutions we know to be effective, such as rehabilitation of criminals as opposed to punitive punishment, decriminalising non-violent crimes, and spend more on mental health care, housing and education.

What do you think about police abolition entirely (in all nations) ? I support immediate reforms to reduce police power and provide more funding to welfare initiatives that reduce incentives and necessity for crime, with a long term plan of removing police as an institution.

How do we combat crime without police?

They're going to have social workers go on patrol with Paul Blart, and if they see a crime being committed they're going to run down to the courthouse and ask the judge to issue an arrest warrant.

I wish I was joking.

[Arvenia]

How do we combat crime without police?

They're going to have social workers go on patrol with Paul Blart, and if they see a crime being committed they're going to run down to the courthouse and ask the judge to issue an arrest warrant.

I wish I was joking.

I would prefer vigilantes (as well as private investigators).

[The Two Jerseys]

They're going to have social workers go on patrol with Paul Blart, and if they see a crime being committed they're going to run down to the courthouse and ask the judge to issue an arrest warrant.

I wish I was joking.

I would prefer vigilantes (as well as private investigators).

I wouldn't, but at least the vigilantes would be more effective at stopping crimes in progress than Paul Blart and his arrest warrant would...

[Sanghyeok]

How do we combat crime without police?

They're going to have social workers go on patrol with Paul Blart, and if they see a crime being committed they're going to run down to the courthouse and ask the judge to issue an arrest warrant.

I wish I was joking.

You seem to have ignored the part where we made suggestions on preventive measures like increasing funding to education, positive reinforcement, and welfare, not to mention where we showed evidence that policing doesn't solve or deter crime very much either.

[Sanghyeok]

I would prefer vigilantes (as well as private investigators).

I wouldn't, but at least the vigilantes would be more effective at stopping crimes in progress than Paul Blart and his arrest warrant would...

They'd probably be more effective than modern police too.

[Sanghyeok]

On the topic of if we need police, I think we do, at least in the sort of societies we currently inhabit.

I find your comment interesting because you mentioned "current societies". Do you believe we'll be able to remove policing entirely after society reaches a certain stage of development?

[My Political Fantasy]

Have you people ever researched any society with out a police/militia/army of any kind? They sound kind of hellish if you ask me

[National Capitalist United States]

I wouldn't, but at least the vigilantes would be more effective at stopping crimes in progress than Paul Blart and his arrest warrant would...

They'd probably be more effective than modern police too.

[Kowani]

Have you people ever researched any society with out a police/militia/army of any kind? They sound kind of hellish if you ask me

Hm
Conflation
For example, Costa Rica doesn’t have an army, but they do have light law enforcement forces.

[The Two Jerseys]

They're going to have social workers go on patrol with Paul Blart, and if they see a crime being committed they're going to run down to the courthouse and ask the judge to issue an arrest warrant.

I wish I was joking.

You seem to have ignored the part where we made suggestions on preventive measures like increasing funding to education, positive reinforcement, and welfare,

None of which is going to prevent crimes of passion or people committing crimes for the excitement of it.

not to mention where we showed evidence that policing doesn't solve or deter crime very much either.

Still better than solving or deterring no crime at all.

I wouldn't, but at least the vigilantes would be more effective at stopping crimes in progress than Paul Blart and his arrest warrant would...

They'd probably be more effective than modern police too.

I prefer my law enforcement to not involve lynchings.

[Adamede]

I wouldn't, but at least the vigilantes would be more effective at stopping crimes in progress than Paul Blart and his arrest warrant would...

They'd probably be more effective than modern police too.

I guess in the sense that at least one person they end up lynching is actually guilty of something.

[Adamede]

Have you people ever researched any society with out a police/militia/army of any kind? They sound kind of hellish if you ask me

Hm
Conflation
For example, Costa Rica doesn’t have an army, but they do have light law enforcement forces.

I mean anyone wanting to invade Costa Rica is going to have the US military ride up their buts eventually.

The Western Hemisphere is America’s playground and they’re awfully protective of it, only we can bully Latin America and all.