Do we even need police?

[Cordel One]

But if you point that out you’re a supposedly a pessimist and misanthrope.

But comrade, bourgeoisie will willingly allow their wealth to be redistributed and will not attempt to hoard anything!

Oh, but you don't need cops when you adhere to Piñata Economics.

[Molither]

Any attempts at abolishing the police lead to an even more incompetent and flawed system of law enforcement


Look at what happened at CHAZ - the police free autonomous zone in Washington. The CHAZ security officers shot and killed two innocent Black men - the irony being they were set up by the BLM movement. Their alternatives to the police were far more violent and racist than the official police force.

[The Two Jerseys]

But comrade, bourgeoisie will willingly allow their wealth to be redistributed and will not attempt to hoard anything!

Oh, but you don't need cops when you adhere to Piñata Economics.

If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...

[Molither]

When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick". -Some Russian idk

[Cordel One]

Oh, but you don't need cops when you adhere to Piñata Economics.

If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...

No, piñata economics. Money doesn't trickle down, but you can make it come down by hitting the rich with large sticks.

[Cordel One]

When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick". -Some Russian idk

No, but when the people get ahold of that stick...

[Stylan]

Yes, but they need to be drastically reformed and replaced with community patrols that are accountable to the people they police.

[The Two Jerseys]

When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick". -Some Russian idk

No, but when the people get ahold of that stick...

...they beat each other until only the "correct" people have the stick.

[Cordel One]

No, but when the people get ahold of that stick...

...they beat each other until only the "correct" people have the stick.

Not at all.

[The Two Jerseys]

...they beat each other until only the "correct" people have the stick.

Not at all.

*laughs in Cheka/NKVD/KGB*

[Cordel One]

Not at all.

*laughs in Cheka/NKVD/KGB*

*Laughs in uncorrupted EZLN*

[Sanghyeok]

Not at all.

*laughs in Cheka/NKVD/KGB*

When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick". -Some Russian idk

I've never argued "people's police" aren't police. Just as many leftist thinkers have noted there can be no "people's state" I also believe there can be no "people's police".

[Kubra]

because this "militarised police" that was not called police was based out of an aspiration to abolish police, *as I said*. Police abolition became policing but worse. You're *really* committed to this non-topic, are you?

I wouldn't point to one example of abolishing the police having failed and say that means it must always fail. That doesn't logically follow; lot's of things failed once but succeeded later. Better to look at the current proposals and point out issues with them.

Perhaps not, but it *does* demonstrate the primacy of policy over labeling. Which would, you know, support *my* point.

[Travislavania]

we go into anarchy if not for them

[Borderlands of Rojava]

With all due respect how is this thread still going? Yes we need law enforcement of some kind although the current kind we have is shit tier and despicably crooked.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Any attempts at abolishing the police lead to an even more incompetent and flawed system of law enforcement


Look at what happened at CHAZ - the police free autonomous zone in Washington. The CHAZ security officers shot and killed two innocent Black men - the irony being they were set up by the BLM movement. Their alternatives to the police were far more violent and racist than the official police force.

Racist? Lmfao.

[Adamede]

Oh, but you don't need cops when you adhere to Piñata Economics.

If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...

Pretty much all of their counter arguments are strawmen for future reference.

[Cordel One]

If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...

Pretty much all of their counter arguments are strawmen for future reference.

Are they now?

[Sanghyeok]

If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...

Pretty much all of their counter arguments are strawmen for future reference.

Odd, given we managed to give logical enough counter arguments that a few pages ago everyone was talking about the definition of police abolition itself.

[Sanghyeok]

we go into anarchy if not for them

Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?

[The Two Jerseys]

we go into anarchy if not for them

Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?

As soon as you're willing to lose all your stuff.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

we go into anarchy if not for them

Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

[Des-Bal]

Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?

Do the mish-mosh everybody.

[ArranVidLand]

Yes, we need the police

[National Capitalist United States]

we go into anarchy if not for them

Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?