American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[Nejii]

Yeah no, it isn’t.

This is one case where I would question the basis and integrity of the source but I forget “How dare you?”

I mean seriously the amount of times I get gang-flamed for politely refuting pro-left ideologies like Marxism for example.

ah yes
questioning the validity of the fucking pew research centre

you can always just admit you were wrong
it's not kryptonite

I will not. Not on this one.

While I’m not a Ben Shapiro fan at all, he himself has stated bias among statistics based websites and companies. And on this one I’m with him.

Besides, never have I ever, including with you and others here, engaged in a debate with a pro-left individual and presented facts and arguments to support myself without getting flamed hardcore, even to the point of childish personal insults. And that goes for the right too. It’s the left and the right.

[Myrensis]

torture works
at getting you useless info

“Tell me X or I will blind, scorch, castrate, flay, and waterboard you for hours. Not in that order.”

Victim refuses.

*Torture begins.*

At their breaking point the victim will divulge anything to end the pain. An experienced interrogative torturer will exploit and weave their interrogation through this tunnel of pain, perhaps even rewarding correct answers with small “breaks”. Perhaps you can accuse the victim of lying or holding out amidst the torture. When the victim vehemently protests this as the truth simply on the promise of ending their torment you know they are either lying and trying hard to sell this lie or they are indeed telling the truth.

Isolate them for a time, accuse them of lying again, and begin the process all over again. Granted this is a very labored outline I’m giving, but humans are fragile creatures and on average value their lives and bodies. A skilled interrogative torturer can break and milk anyone for information and get what they need and perhaps more.

Why are you torturing someone if you all ready know the answers? And if you don't all ready know the answers, how do you know what the "correct" answers are? Enjoy wasting your time and resources going off of on wild goose chases after whatever random shit your clueless victim made up on the spot just to get you to stop hurting them.

Absolutely a skilled interrogator can break anyone, they could make you admit to being a lifelong Al Qaeda member who personally recruited the 9/11 hijackers and built the bomb used on the USS Cole... for all the use that would be to anybody.

[Cordel One]

My Pillow CEO responds, says "I want Dominion to put up their lawsuit because we have 100% evidence that China and other countries used their machines to steal the election."

Corporate America must be chock full of raging lunatics.

*raises hammer and sickle*

[San Lumen]

Domion sends Mike Lindell (the MyPillow guy) a cease & desist letter, which also orders him to "preserve and retain all documents relating to Dominion and your smear campaign against the company."

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My Pillow CEO responds, says "I want Dominion to put up their lawsuit because we have 100% evidence that China and other countries used their machines to steal the election."

If he is the Republican nominee for Governor of Minnesota in the next election I can’t see him winning.

[Kowani]

ah yes
questioning the validity of the fucking pew research centre

you can always just admit you were wrong
it's not kryptonite

I will not. Not on this one.

While I’m not a Ben Shapiro fan at all, he himself has stated bias among statistics based websites and companies. And on this one I’m with him.

...is this a joke
you know the methodology is publicly available
you can check this yourself

Besides, never have I ever, including with you and others here, engaged in a debate with a pro-left individual and presented facts and arguments to support myself without getting flamed hardcore. And that goes for the right too. It’s the left and the right.

this proves exactly nothing

[Bombadil]

ah yes
questioning the validity of the fucking pew research centre

you can always just admit you were wrong
it's not kryptonite

I will not. Not on this one.

While I’m not a Ben Shapiro fan at all, he himself has stated bias among statistics based websites and companies. And on this one I’m with him.

Besides, never have I ever, including with you and others here, engaged in a debate with a pro-left individual and presented facts and arguments to support myself without getting flamed hardcore, even to the point of childish personal insults. And that goes for the right too. It’s the left and the right.

Only one side has been incessantly told their Walton's vision of America is under attack by transgender commies who hate Christmas and want to let in as many illegal immigrants as possible to destroy America.. no wonder they're more angry.

[Freiheit Reich]

As in “hit with a stick” caned or “drugged” caned?

He keeps pushing Singapore's system so we can firmly be ascertained that it's "hit with a stick" caned.

Singapore has a very high HDI and is ranked #11. One reason Singapore has achieved this is by speaking softly and carrying a big stick. People have more respect for laws in Singapore than in the USA. I don't see huge migrant flotillas trying to invade Singapore.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/SGP

Penalties for Illegal Immigration and Overstaying in Singapore

https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-ar ... singapore/

Penalties for illegal immigration and related offences
Under the Immigration Act, a person found to have illegally entered or left Singapore without a valid pass or entry permit is punishable with a jail term of up to 6 months and at least 3 strokes of the cane (or a fine of up to $6,000 if the offender cannot be caned, such as where the offender is above 50 years old, or female).

For using or possessing forged or altered entry permits, passes or visas and/or making a false statement to obtain such documents, the punishment is a fine of up to $4,000 and/or a jail term of up to 12 months, respectively.

Countries Abroad Punish Illegal Entry More Harshly Than US (I am actually suggesting a light sentence-more than one year is too strict)

https://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles ... y-than-us/

Jumping the border in Singapore is punishable by six months in prison — and not less than three strokes with a cane.

In Russia, it can earn you up to two years in a prison labor camp.

Pakistan goes as high as 10 years in prison, while India allows for up to eight years behind bars for those who sneak across its boundaries.

[Nejii]

I will not. Not on this one.

While I’m not a Ben Shapiro fan at all, he himself has stated bias among statistics based websites and companies. And on this one I’m with him.

Besides, never have I ever, including with you and others here, engaged in a debate with a pro-left individual and presented facts and arguments to support myself without getting flamed hardcore, even to the point of childish personal insults. And that goes for the right too. It’s the left and the right.

Only one side has been incessantly told their Walton's vision of America is under attack by transgender commies who hate Christmas and want to let in as many illegal immigrants as possible to destroy America.. no wonder they're more angry.

While the other side is erroneously told that their rainbow multiracial paradise devoid of anything white, capitalist, or religious is under attack by a “Nazi majority”, disgruntled crusaders, and Appalachian lynch mobs. They seem just as angry to me.

[Bombadil]

He keeps pushing Singapore's system so we can firmly be ascertained that it's "hit with a stick" caned.

Singapore has a very high HDI and is ranked #11. One reason Singapore has achieved this is by speaking softly and carrying a big stick. People have more respect for laws in Singapore than in the USA. I don't see huge migrant flotillas trying to invade Singapore.

They kind of do actually, which you would know if you were ever stuck for 3 hours at border control. Each day a huge amount of migrant workers come in from Malaysia to do menial work.

It's also illegal to cross the border into Malaysia to fill up on cheaper petrol.

However plenty of countries deal with immigration without needing such draconian measures. It's not necessary. Surprising how a libertarian supports the state in cracking down so harshly on laws. Sounds rather authoritarian.

[Farnhamia]

Look, bro. I used to be on the side of the "they can just go somewhere else" mentality.

But then I realized libertarianism is stupid and bigotry needs to be actively erased from society.

Why? People should have the right to be bigots. Do you want to force people to have the same opinion as you? What about someone that might have a reason to dislike another group? Imagine someone who lived in Nanjing and was raped by Japanese soldiers during the Nanjing Massacre. Should that person be forced to serve Japanese customers if they enter her store? What about a man who had a wife raped and tortured and killed by a group of white men? Should that business owner be forced to serve white men? People have different life experiences and may have a reason for being bigots.

Discourage bigotry but don't regulate it (at least for private businesses).

You are an idealist but idealism can be dangerous. I think about young idealistic students in 1960's China that beat their teachers and beat monks for not being communist enough. These students just loved their nation and wanted the teachers and monks to think like them and support Maoist thoughts. They were idealistic but tyrannical as well.

Fifty years on, one of Mao’s ‘little generals’ exposes horror of the Cultural Revolution

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... revolution

*** Warned for flaming ***. You made it personal with that underlined phrase above.

[Comerciante]

He keeps pushing Singapore's system so we can firmly be ascertained that it's "hit with a stick" caned.

Singapore has a very high HDI and is ranked #11. One reason Singapore has achieved this is by speaking softly and carrying a big stick. People have more respect for laws in Singapore than in the USA. I don't see huge migrant flotillas trying to invade Singapore.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/SGP

Penalties for Illegal Immigration and Overstaying in Singapore

https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-ar ... singapore/

Penalties for illegal immigration and related offences
Under the Immigration Act, a person found to have illegally entered or left Singapore without a valid pass or entry permit is punishable with a jail term of up to 6 months and at least 3 strokes of the cane (or a fine of up to $6,000 if the offender cannot be caned, such as where the offender is above 50 years old, or female).

For using or possessing forged or altered entry permits, passes or visas and/or making a false statement to obtain such documents, the punishment is a fine of up to $4,000 and/or a jail term of up to 12 months, respectively.

Countries Abroad Punish Illegal Entry More Harshly Than US (I am actually suggesting a light sentence-more than one year is too strict)

https://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles ... y-than-us/

Jumping the border in Singapore is punishable by six months in prison — and not less than three strokes with a cane.

In Russia, it can earn you up to two years in a prison labor camp.

Pakistan goes as high as 10 years in prison, while India allows for up to eight years behind bars for those who sneak across its boundaries.

Yes, we get you like beating people with sticks. We don't need the whole history about it.

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

Gitmo is what happens if Tom Clancy Eagleland America (the one you believe in?) gets into grim dark mode.

I'm not sure what you're trying to refer to here. I'm not very familiar with Tom Clancy's works.

The Iran story is even better as it happens right after the war with Japan: Iran, under a different Supreme Leader/Ayatollah, assassinates not-Saddam and annexes Iraq to form the United Islamic Republic and starts killing the Central Asian leaders so they can annex their countries and form a giant superstate with them and the Persian Gulf countries once the UIR conquers those (I'm not kidding, hell, the Ayatollah orders that Saparmurat Niyazov be assassinated so he can annex Turkmenistan) and manages to secure an alliance with China and India. The U.S. goes on the warpath and a Second Persian Gulf War is launched (the U.S. contribution is two armored cavalry units and a National Guard brigade from North Carolina which manage to wipe out 3 UIR field armies and have a casualty rate of 1 U.S. tank per 6 UIR tanks, the Saudis get curb-stomped despite inflicting heavy losses against the UIR, then the American units wipe out 90% of the UIR force in one night; plus the National Guard brigade manages to slaughter two UIR corps), and the war ends after Jack Ryan orders the assassination of the Ayatollah with a smart bomb while the latter is live on TV.

Yeah, the Tom Clancy novels go from 0 to 100 real fucking fast.
Edit: BTW, this is Executive Orders and I forgot to mention the Ayatollah decides he's going to take down the U.S. by launching a biological attack with weaponized Ebola, kidnapping Ryan's daughter, and using an Iranian sleeper agent that's been around for 15 years to finally kill Ryan in order to cause a government collapse.

[Bombadil]

Only one side has been incessantly told their Walton's vision of America is under attack by transgender commies who hate Christmas and want to let in as many illegal immigrants as possible to destroy America.. no wonder they're more angry.

While the other side is erroneously told that their rainbow multiracial paradise devoid of anything white, capitalist, or religious is under attack by a “Nazi majority”, disgruntled crusaders, and Appalachian lynch mobs. They seem just as angry to me.

Not really, instead of 'under attack' it's that the system heavily favours the Walton vision American, they're simply fighting for better equality and justice for all. What makes them angry is continued examples of this system in denial, it causes a very different reaction to feeling 'under attack'.

[Farnhamia]

The event was planned well in advance, considering its proximity to the Capitol and valid threats of insurrection made before, I would be surprised if Russia or China didn’t take the opportunity to plant spies in the mob

If you have a shred of evidence for that outlandish claim you should call the FBI. If not you should STFU.

You don't get to tell people to STFU. *** Warned for flaming ***

[Nejii]

While the other side is erroneously told that their rainbow multiracial paradise devoid of anything white, capitalist, or religious is under attack by a “Nazi majority”, disgruntled crusaders, and Appalachian lynch mobs. They seem just as angry to me.

Not really, instead of 'under attack' it's that the system heavily favours the Walton vision American, they're simply fighting for better equality and justice for all. What makes them angry is continued examples of this system in denial, it causes a very different reaction to feeling 'under attack'.

Agree to disagree.

But let us agree that both sides are angry and the door for compromise is closing. If it hasn’t already closed.

[Major-Tom]

Not really, instead of 'under attack' it's that the system heavily favours the Walton vision American, they're simply fighting for better equality and justice for all. What makes them angry is continued examples of this system in denial, it causes a very different reaction to feeling 'under attack'.

Agree to disagree.

But let us agree that both sides are angry and the door for compromise is closing. If it hasn’t already closed.

I don't know when we can open that door up again. Probably not for some time.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

He said earlier that he wants illegal immigrants to be caned as well.

Singapore and Malaysia cane criminals. Don't act like it is a brutal punishment when two nations considered quite civilized do it. You act like I am an extremist.

Caning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning#Ju ... punishment

In Singapore, Malaysia and Brunei, healthy males under 50 years of age can be sentenced to a maximum of 24 strokes of the rotan (rattan) cane on the bare buttocks; the punishment is mandatory for many offences, mostly violent or drug crimes, but also immigration violations, sexual offences and (in Singapore) acts of vandalism. It is also imposed for certain breaches of prison rules.

You know who else canes people? The Talibans.

[Nejii]

Agree to disagree.

But let us agree that both sides are angry and the door for compromise is closing. If it hasn’t already closed.

I don't know when we can open that door up again. Probably not for some time.

Which is sad honestly. But you have to extreme opposite majorities pushing against each other with middlemen and lightweights being forced to pick a side. What else can be expected?

[Cannot think of a name]

American exceptionalism came to an end at january the 7th.

For a while there it seemed like American Exceptionalism was just "things everyone else can manage to do but not Americans for some reason..."

[Comerciante]

If ya wanted to keep the door open ya should have used a slipper, that way mama won't beat you with a chancla

what other pair.

[Kowani]

McConnell and Schumer are nearing a power-sharing agreement to hash out how the divided chamber will operate, with Democrats in charge of setting the schedule but both parties likely to hold an equal number of seats on Senate committees

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Singapore has a very high HDI and is ranked #11. One reason Singapore has achieved this is by speaking softly and carrying a big stick. People have more respect for laws in Singapore than in the USA. I don't see huge migrant flotillas trying to invade Singapore.

They kind of do actually, which you would know if you were ever stuck for 3 hours at border control. Each day a huge amount of migrant workers come in from Malaysia to do menial work.

It's also illegal to cross the border into Malaysia to fill up on cheaper petrol.

However plenty of countries deal with immigration without needing such draconian measures. It's not necessary. Surprising how a libertarian supports the state in cracking down so harshly on laws. Sounds rather authoritarian.

He said he supported labor camps and flogging. Hes as libertarian as Julius Caesar.

[Nejii]

They kind of do actually, which you would know if you were ever stuck for 3 hours at border control. Each day a huge amount of migrant workers come in from Malaysia to do menial work.

It's also illegal to cross the border into Malaysia to fill up on cheaper petrol.

However plenty of countries deal with immigration without needing such draconian measures. It's not necessary. Surprising how a libertarian supports the state in cracking down so harshly on laws. Sounds rather authoritarian.

He said he supported labor camps and flogging. Hes as libertarian as Julius Caesar.

Romans just called them "slaves" at face.

[Cannot think of a name]

Prediction for American politics: For the next 30 years at least, the President will be impeached whenever the opposite party controls the House.

Doubt it. Both times Trump was impeached, the impeachment was for valid reasons.

I mean, people will continue to junk file impeachment articles as they always have, but they will barely be footnotes as they always have been.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

American exceptionalism came to an end at january the 7th.

American exceptionalism is like unicorns. It's a fairy tale that never existed.