by Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:34 am
by Page » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:48 am
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:49 am
Page wrote:In terms of ideology I mostly align with Die Linke, but if I actually could vote I might go with the Greens or SPD for strategic reasons. The Greens won the last municipal election here in Aachen by a lot which I think is kind of cool.
I just hope the AfD doesn't gain any more ground. Germany isn't nearly as vulnerable to the far-right taking power as other European countries but the amount of support they have is disturbingly high. I don't personally know anyone who supports them and I would not associate with an AfD supporter anyway. Those idiots have had a few anti-mask or anti-lockdown demonstrations in Aachen this year but only a few dozen people ever show up.
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:51 am
by Nuroblav » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:59 am
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:09 am
Nuroblav wrote:Die Linke seem to be closest to my views, specifically the Emancipatory Left faction (whose co-founder seems to be chairperson). Can't say I know enough about the party to have a solid opinion though, nor would I quite a fan of the other factions.
And yeah, AfD's high level of support is worrying.
by Baltenstein » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:39 am
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:43 am
Baltenstein wrote:The "thrill" of this election will consist largely of guesstimating which party (Greens, SPD, FDP) will get to become the CDU's junior partner. I honestly cannot think of a feasible sceario where the CDU doesn't auto-win.
That fact in itself doesn't speak too well of the vitality of Germany's multi-party system. OTOH, if the alternative is US-style partisan polarization, it's probably the lesser evil.
by Agarntrop » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:43 am
Page wrote:In terms of ideology I mostly align with Die Linke, but if I actually could vote I might go with the Greens or SPD for strategic reasons. The Greens won the last municipal election here in Aachen by a lot which I think is kind of cool.
I just hope the AfD doesn't gain any more ground. Germany isn't nearly as vulnerable to the far-right taking power as other European countries but the amount of support they have is disturbingly high. I don't personally know anyone who supports them and I would not associate with an AfD supporter anyway. Those idiots have had a few anti-mask or anti-lockdown demonstrations in Aachen this year but only a few dozen people ever show up.
by Baltenstein » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:44 am
Page wrote:In terms of ideology I mostly align with Die Linke, but if I actually could vote I might go with the Greens or SPD for strategic reasons. The Greens won the last municipal election here in Aachen by a lot which I think is kind of cool.
I just hope the AfD doesn't gain any more ground. Germany isn't nearly as vulnerable to the far-right taking power as other European countries but the amount of support they have is disturbingly high.
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:47 am
Baltenstein wrote:Page wrote:In terms of ideology I mostly align with Die Linke, but if I actually could vote I might go with the Greens or SPD for strategic reasons. The Greens won the last municipal election here in Aachen by a lot which I think is kind of cool.
I just hope the AfD doesn't gain any more ground. Germany isn't nearly as vulnerable to the far-right taking power as other European countries but the amount of support they have is disturbingly high.
Frankly, it would be strange if Germany would somehow be the one magical excetion to the rule of the rise of anti-globalization/establishment populism. I'd say the only reason why the AFD's support isn't even higher (I'd put the overall level of their potential support at 25-30% or so of the German electorate) is the crucial of a charismatic larger-then-life caudillo type individual in the German political scene. The modern history of right-wing populism throughout Western countries has shown that it cannot succeed without such a figure.
by Baltenstein » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:47 am
Shrillland wrote:Baltenstein wrote:The "thrill" of this election will consist largely of guesstimating which party (Greens, SPD, FDP) will get to become the CDU's junior partner. I honestly cannot think of a feasible sceario where the CDU doesn't auto-win.
That fact in itself doesn't speak too well of the vitality of Germany's multi-party system. OTOH, if the alternative is US-style partisan polarization, it's probably the lesser evil.
Oh, the multi-party system's strong enough in Germany(there won't be a repeat of the LDP in Japan), it's just that Merkel has basically been Germany's hand for 20 years and is just universally popular around the world....that and governments that handle the pandemic well tend to be rewarded.
by Bienenhalde » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:49 am
by Agarntrop » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:50 am
Baltenstein wrote:Page wrote:In terms of ideology I mostly align with Die Linke, but if I actually could vote I might go with the Greens or SPD for strategic reasons. The Greens won the last municipal election here in Aachen by a lot which I think is kind of cool.
I just hope the AfD doesn't gain any more ground. Germany isn't nearly as vulnerable to the far-right taking power as other European countries but the amount of support they have is disturbingly high.
Frankly, it would be strange if Germany would somehow be the one magical excetion to the rule of the rise of anti-globalization/establishment populism. I'd say the only reason why the AFD's support isn't even higher (I'd put the overall level of their potential support at 25-30% or so of the German electorate) is the crucial of a charismatic larger-then-life caudillo type individual in the German political scene. The modern history of right-wing populism throughout Western countries has shown that it cannot succeed without such a figure.
by Baltenstein » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:50 am
Shrillland wrote:Baltenstein wrote:
Frankly, it would be strange if Germany would somehow be the one magical excetion to the rule of the rise of anti-globalization/establishment populism. I'd say the only reason why the AFD's support isn't even higher (I'd put the overall level of their potential support at 25-30% or so of the German electorate) is the crucial of a charismatic larger-then-life caudillo type individual in the German political scene. The modern history of right-wing populism throughout Western countries has shown that it cannot succeed without such a figure.
That's mostly because, since the war, Germany tends to stamp them out considering how well it went last time for them.
by Baltenstein » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:50 am
Agarntrop wrote:Baltenstein wrote:
Frankly, it would be strange if Germany would somehow be the one magical excetion to the rule of the rise of anti-globalization/establishment populism. I'd say the only reason why the AFD's support isn't even higher (I'd put the overall level of their potential support at 25-30% or so of the German electorate) is the crucial of a charismatic larger-then-life caudillo type individual in the German political scene. The modern history of right-wing populism throughout Western countries has shown that it cannot succeed without such a figure.
Have you forgotten the existence of a certain Adolf H?
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:53 am
Bienenhalde wrote:What is the chance that Söder will be the CDU chancellor candidate instead of Laschet?
by Agarntrop » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:54 am
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:55 am
Baltenstein wrote:Shrillland wrote:
That's mostly because, since the war, Germany tends to stamp them out considering how well it went last time for them.
You think so.
I'd say it's simply that such an individual does not currently exist, not that the German political system and society are somehow better set-up or more enlightened than other countries in that regard.
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:57 am
Baltenstein wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Oh, the multi-party system's strong enough in Germany(there won't be a repeat of the LDP in Japan), it's just that Merkel has basically been Germany's hand for 20 years and is just universally popular around the world....that and governments that handle the pandemic well tend to be rewarded.
I do not consider a multi-party system where the (former) big centre-left party has become an after-thought joke that will be lucky to score 10% and the big centre-right party has devolved into an amorphous centrist mass that automatically wins all national elections of past, present and future "strong". A healthy political system thrives through competition and change.
by Baltenstein » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:59 am
That shows that he was more or less stamped out and ignored by the populace in Hamburg.
by Baltenstein » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:02 am
Shrillland wrote:Baltenstein wrote:
I do not consider a multi-party system where the (former) big centre-left party has become an after-thought joke that will be lucky to score 10% and the big centre-right party has devolved into an amorphous centrist mass that automatically wins all national elections of past, present and future "strong". A healthy political system thrives through competition and change.
As for the SDP's collapse, that's just because the left is changing and heading towards eco-social democracy instead of classic social democracy, as the Green surge pre-Covid shows.
by Crylante » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:08 am
by Page » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:25 am
Agarntrop wrote:Page wrote:In terms of ideology I mostly align with Die Linke, but if I actually could vote I might go with the Greens or SPD for strategic reasons. The Greens won the last municipal election here in Aachen by a lot which I think is kind of cool.
I just hope the AfD doesn't gain any more ground. Germany isn't nearly as vulnerable to the far-right taking power as other European countries but the amount of support they have is disturbingly high. I don't personally know anyone who supports them and I would not associate with an AfD supporter anyway. Those idiots have had a few anti-mask or anti-lockdown demonstrations in Aachen this year but only a few dozen people ever show up.
You live in Aachen? I've always assumed you were from the US
by Agarntrop » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:44 am
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