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by Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:23 am
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by Kenmoria » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:54 am
by The Sheika » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:03 am
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:07 am
The Sheika wrote:You have two military forces getting ready to go toe to toe, one is comprised of volunteers who are well-trained, more than adequately supplied, and most of all motivated to fight for their cause because they chose to. The opposing side is a mix of volunteers and conscripted individuals; although the numbers are there, the motivation to fight for the cause is not shared by everyone. On paper, numbers mean everything, but in practical exercise numbers are just part of a much larger equation where motivation is certainly a considerable factor.
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by Scalizagasti » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:41 am
Etiah wrote:this will help countries build up a strong military
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by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:09 pm
by Sky Reavers » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:15 pm
by Attempted Socialism » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:21 pm
One might also ask themselves why, facing the Revolutionary French levee en masse (Essentially a proto-draft), all warring Continental (AFAIK UK didn't) nations suddenly adopted the system that would later develop into the draft as we knew it leading up to WW1. It's almost like the conscripted soldier is equal, or close enough, to the volunteer which makes it a numbers game between two technologically and economically similar nations. If we set aside political costs and ethical considerations and look at the military benefits, conscripts are generally better because there are more of them, you can more easily recruit officers and you build up a large reserve, while any loss of efficiency is trivial. In The Sheikas example, the conscript army would win, overrun the volunteer nation and teach the neighbours to institute conscription themselves. "Military efficiency" is a bad argument to oppose conscription.Imperium Anglorum wrote:The Sheika wrote:You have two military forces getting ready to go toe to toe, one is comprised of volunteers who are well-trained, more than adequately supplied, and most of all motivated to fight for their cause because they chose to. The opposing side is a mix of volunteers and conscripted individuals; although the numbers are there, the motivation to fight for the cause is not shared by everyone. On paper, numbers mean everything, but in practical exercise numbers are just part of a much larger equation where motivation is certainly a considerable factor.
OOC. On similar terms, the BEF fought the Germans at the start of the First world war: a highly trained, highly motivated, well-supplied expeditionary force of 50 thousand against the conscripted German army totalling over a million men. The BEF was simply overrun. If the BEF were there alone and not supported by the French 5th army, it would have been entirely surrounded and all men captured or killed.
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by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:38 pm
by Etiah » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:07 pm
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Welcome to the General Assembly. In this forum, we draft international legislation that affects all GA member states. Well done for writing a draft here rather than immediately submitting, as this means feedback can be given. In this case, your draft unfortunately violates a few of the rules. Additionally, I suggest having a look at some passed resolutions for inspiration, as this is currently looking more like a suggestion than a piece of legislation.)
by The Sheika » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:43 pm
Attempted Socialism wrote:One might also ask themselves why, facing the Revolutionary French levee en masse (Essentially a proto-draft), all warring Continental (AFAIK UK didn't) nations suddenly adopted the system that would later develop into the draft as we knew it leading up to WW1. It's almost like the conscripted soldier is equal, or close enough, to the volunteer which makes it a numbers game between two technologically and economically similar nations. If we set aside political costs and ethical considerations and look at the military benefits, conscripts are generally better because there are more of them, you can more easily recruit officers and you build up a large reserve, while any loss of efficiency is trivial. In The Sheikas example, the conscript army would win, overrun the volunteer nation and teach the neighbours to institute conscription themselves. "Military efficiency" is a bad argument to oppose conscription.Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC. On similar terms, the BEF fought the Germans at the start of the First world war: a highly trained, highly motivated, well-supplied expeditionary force of 50 thousand against the conscripted German army totalling over a million men. The BEF was simply overrun. If the BEF were there alone and not supported by the French 5th army, it would have been entirely surrounded and all men captured or killed.
by Attempted Socialism » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:46 pm
Since it's slightly off topic I'll let this be my last point, just to elaborate because you mention weaponry and supplies. While they can be stretched, any nation with the sufficient economy (And bureaucracy) to mobilise hundreds of thousands will almost certainly also have the means to supply them with weapons. However, a conscripted military, even if stretched comparatively thin in terms of supplies and weaponry, will absolutely and utterly annihilate a comparable nation relying on volunteers. As IA said, the British Expeditionary Force sent to France in World War One was tiny (IA says 50 thousand, Wikipedia says 6 divisions = ~60.000) and simply destroyed by the German conscripts. Compare the Battle of Leipzig (~550.000 total combatants) or even Waterloo (~200.000) during the Napoleonic Wars to some of the largest battles in the Seven Years War before it (Such as Zorndorf, ~80.000, or Rossbach, ~60.000). The entire number of soldiers fielded during the Seven Years War are comparable to the total losses at Leipzig or Waterloo. At that point, stretching supplies and weaponry becomes largely irrelevant; the nation able to continually sustain those losses through conscription is the stronger and will do as they want, while the nation which can't or won't will be the weaker and suffer as they must, to paraphrase Thucydides. It's a brutal, inhuman reality, but true nevertheless, that a nation with a conscript army will basically always defeat an otherwise roughly equal nation with a volunteer army through better strategy (More pieces on the board, so to speak), better tactics (More regiments to move on the field), or by engaging the smaller army in a numbers game. The instances where volunteer armies defeated conscripts (E.g. 19th century British colonial ventures; 2003 Iraq War) have generally been won by superpowers or at least nations with vastly more resources and technological superiority.The Sheika wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:One might also ask themselves why, facing the Revolutionary French levee en masse (Essentially a proto-draft), all warring Continental (AFAIK UK didn't) nations suddenly adopted the system that would later develop into the draft as we knew it leading up to WW1. It's almost like the conscripted soldier is equal, or close enough, to the volunteer which makes it a numbers game between two technologically and economically similar nations. If we set aside political costs and ethical considerations and look at the military benefits, conscripts are generally better because there are more of them, you can more easily recruit officers and you build up a large reserve, while any loss of efficiency is trivial. In The Sheikas example, the conscript army would win, overrun the volunteer nation and teach the neighbours to institute conscription themselves. "Military efficiency" is a bad argument to oppose conscription.
OOC: I would have to say that you made a fair call as far as bad arguments. I was thinking more in line with a conscripted military being stretched a little thinner as far as weaponry and supplies, BUT I should have taken the extra step to consider that is not always going to be the case. The correction is indeed appreciated.
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by Picairn » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:30 am
Sky Reavers wrote:A conscript, dragged into a war will never fight with a flair and spirit of someone, who volunteered to fight for his country and felt, that this is the calling of his heart and soul. There gonna be draft dodgers, who would have to be arrested, while with volunteer army, they would be in the workforce instead of jail. Besides, ya' dragged a bunch of people, who don't wanna be here, so herding them would be hard. Teaching too, since there will be many of those not-so-warrior inclined folks. Logistics... supplying so many people is a non-trivial task too. And protests... And this is just a civil rights violation if ya' ask us.
Don't do that. Gonna give ya' much more problems than solve.
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