American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[Valrifell]

I mean, it would still be fundamentally up to the states to decide their elections, except now there's a pile of cash if you do it the Federally sponsored way.

Wouldn't be the first case of the federal government extorting states, that's how they raised the drinking age.

Yeah that exact example spurred this discussion further up in the quote chain.

I don't see how it's illegal for the federal government to... uh... incentivize the states to change their election laws.

[Arisyan]

Ironically, it's the Voting Rights Act that makes Gerrymandering required in some states, since the "affected" states are required to guarantee representation for Black voters, as we see in...well, Louisiana.

Maybe proportioning state delegations based on the popular vote and doing away with districts altogether would be a fun solution. Are there any terrible downsides to that?

no but that is something so radical in the US that it would be denounced as Communism by both republicans and democrats. Its quite honestly not happening. But I can always dream.

[Nakena]

Why do so many leftists hate her then?

Dunno about leftists, but party line Democrats don't like her because Hillary accused her of being a Russian agent, or something.

Hillary actually did. for the lulz.

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For the record, I do not abuse the word reactionary, I use it accurately to describe those who wish to undo progress, which is how the word is defined.

[Arisyan]

you know what im also baffled at? That this thread hasn't even remotely experienced a thread jack lately.

[Proctopeo]

Why do so many leftists hate her then?

Apparently Gabbard is a "transphobe" for saying transgender athletes have unfair physical advantages in women’s sports

Tbh that's a field that needs further research. I think there's been, what, one study total?

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you know what im also baffled at? That this thread hasn't even remotely experienced a thread jack lately.

What if we abolished China?

[Valrifell]

you know what im also baffled at? That this thread hasn't even remotely experienced a thread jack lately.

It's difficult to threadjack a thread with as broad a scope as "American politics"

We can talk about Donald Trump, trains, gerrymandering, and a former member of Congress who ran for president that one time, and all are technically on topic.

[Proctopeo]

Dunno about leftists, but party line Democrats don't like her because Hillary accused her of being a Russian agent, or something.

Hillary actually did. for the lulz.

Of course she did lmao.

[Kowani]

Wait, are we pretending Tulsi is anti-war again?
Oh, dear.

[No State Here]

you know what im also baffled at? That this thread hasn't even remotely experienced a thread jack lately.

It's difficult to threadjack a thread with as broad a scope as "American politics"

We can talk about Donald Trump, trains, gerrymandering, and a former member of Congress who ran for president that one time, and all are technically on topic.

Or pages of trains

[The Reformed American Republic]

Wait, are we pretending Tulsi is anti-war again?
Oh, dear.

Unfortunately one side being terrible doesn't make the other side good, and that is one example.

[Omniabstracta]

It's difficult to threadjack a thread with as broad a scope as "American politics"

We can talk about Donald Trump, trains, gerrymandering, and a former member of Congress who ran for president that one time, and all are technically on topic.

Or pages of trains

Someone ought to start a train service to carry people around the thread.

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Why do so many leftists hate her then?

Apparently Gabbard is a "transphobe" for saying transgender athletes have unfair physical advantages in women’s sports

Of course, if you ask the same people who think this way if that means trans men are disadvantaged if they participate in men's sports, they'll say no, they are actually advantaged because they take testosterone. Which of course means they can't do women's sports either. With transwomen, they say it's all about the bone structure, that the hormones don't matter, with trans men they say the hormones do matter. When you dig a little into the transphobic pseudoscience, you find that the transphobes aren't just saying transwomen shouldn't be allowed to compete with ciswomen, they want trans people banned altogether.

Same deal with the bathroom bills. The transphobes say use the bathroom that corresponds to your birth sex but they don't mean it because there is no way a trans man with a big beard and a vagina walks into a women's bathroom without getting harassed or attacked. We know this because there have been incidents of even cisgender lesbians attacked by people who assume they're men. So what they really want is trans people banned from public bathrooms altogether.

The transphobic agenda is hateful, they aren't interested in science, they're interested in persecution.

[San Lumen]

Ironically, it's the Voting Rights Act that makes Gerrymandering required in some states, since the "affected" states are required to guarantee representation for Black voters, as we see in...well, Louisiana.

Maybe proportioning state delegations based on the popular vote and doing away with districts altogether would be a fun solution. Are there any terrible downsides to that?

Doubtful such a law would ever pass

[Shrillland]

Maybe proportioning state delegations based on the popular vote and doing away with districts altogether would be a fun solution. Are there any terrible downsides to that?

Doubtful such a law would ever pass

True, alas. Similar Canadian referenda have shown that people want the simplest option even when it isn't the best. Hell, Massachusetts rejected RCV last year and Alaska only narrowly approved their modified RCV.

[San Lumen]

Doubtful such a law would ever pass

True, alas. Similar Canadian referenda have shown that people want the simplest option even when it isn't the best. Hell, Massachusetts rejected RCV last year and Alaska only narrowly approved their modified RCV.

I have no opposition to RCV. Nyc will be using it for the first time in mayoral primaries this year.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/01 ... eelection/

Speaking of mayor’s Bill Peduto has announced he will run for a third term as mayor of Pittsburgh.

[Kowani]

Wait, are we pretending Tulsi is anti-war again?
Oh, dear.

Unfortunately one side being terrible doesn't make the other side good, and that is one example.

My point was that Tulsi isn’t actually anti-war
She’s just anti-war in Afghanistan
Which, to be clear, is a good position
But when you’re fine with war everywhere else, that’s not anti-war (especially since she still supports drone strikes nearly everywhere)




Other stuff people got wrong: Tulsi’s support for “Medicare for all” is closer to Pete Buttigieg’s “Medicare for all who want it” plan, leftists don’t like her views on Islam, we really don’t like her views on Modi, the constant fucking legitimizing of reactionary sources by giving them an audience (oh hey project veritas, what are you doing here?).

We don’t like the transphobia either, but that’s not the only bit of opposition to Tulsi fucking Gabbard from the left

[Nakena]

But when you’re fine with war everywhere else, that’s not anti-war

Sauce me up on that,

[The Black Forrest]

It’s fascinating how Republicans are now all concerned about misinformation.

Just saw CNN talking to some rep Rodney somethingorother.

He was all concerned about the misinformation over the impeachment and they should have taken a few more weeks to handle this and that Trump doesn’t need to be punished because he was punished when he was voted out.

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Unfortunately one side being terrible doesn't make the other side good, and that is one example.

My point was that Tulsi isn’t actually anti-war
She’s just anti-war in Afghanistan
Which, to be clear, is a good position
But when you’re fine with war everywhere else, that’s not anti-war (especially since she still supports drone strikes nearly everywhere)




Other stuff people got wrong: Tulsi’s support for “Medicare for all” is closer to Pete Buttigieg’s “Medicare for all who want it” plan, leftists don’t like her views on Islam, we really don’t like her views on Modi, the constant fucking legitimizing of reactionary sources by giving them an audience (oh hey project veritas, what are you doing here?).

We don’t like the transphobia either, but that’s not the only bit of opposition to Tulsi fucking Gabbard from the left

Yeah her friendship with Tucker Carlson also put me off her. Tucker Carlson is a broken clock who is right more than twice a day but he's usually wrong and in horrible ways.

And you are right about her not being truly anti-war but are there really any legit anti-war people in Congress? Even Bernie Sanders supports drone strikes.

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It’s fascinating how Republicans are now all concerned about misinformation.

Just saw CNN talking to some rep Rodney somethingorother.

He was all concerned about the misinformation over the impeachment and they should have taken a few more weeks to handle this and that Trump doesn’t need to be punished because he was punished when he was voted out.

Voting him out definitely wasn't the punishment, it was just pulling the gun out of his hand. But even if he is convicted and barred from office he still really won't have paid for anything he'll just be prevented from doing more damage.

[The Black Forrest]

My point was that Tulsi isn’t actually anti-war
She’s just anti-war in Afghanistan
Which, to be clear, is a good position
But when you’re fine with war everywhere else, that’s not anti-war (especially since she still supports drone strikes nearly everywhere)




Other stuff people got wrong: Tulsi’s support for “Medicare for all” is closer to Pete Buttigieg’s “Medicare for all who want it” plan, leftists don’t like her views on Islam, we really don’t like her views on Modi, the constant fucking legitimizing of reactionary sources by giving them an audience (oh hey project veritas, what are you doing here?).

We don’t like the transphobia either, but that’s not the only bit of opposition to Tulsi fucking Gabbard from the left

Yeah her friendship with Tucker Carlson also put me off her. Tucker Carlson is a broken clock who is right more than twice a day but he's usually wrong and in horrible ways.

And you are right about her not being truly anti-war but are there really any legit anti-war people in Congress? Even Bernie Sanders supports drone strikes.

Wait. She is buds with Tucker? That says a few things about her. Just another reason why not to vote for her......

[Thermodolia]

Which is why you base the system on that regional sweet spot that’s too long to drive but too short to fly. The US can have a regional high speed rail system and connect the regions through planes or trains

Commuter zones? Someone else mentioned that earlier during the whole trains conversation, it could have some unintended consequences but overall you would have to do it on a case by case basis and weigh economic expense to potential gains and efficiency advantages. I gave an example earlier

The issue is what exactly defines which commuter zones are where. Atlanta is the best example, it’s pretty much a hub for everyone living South of DC and East of Texas, I often hear people in my area saying they’re "driving up to Atlanta" for whatever reason even though it’s almost 9 hours. I imagine people in Mississippi and all the way up to Virginia may do the same. With this system, Atlanta would pretty much become a mega train hub (although the airport is already basically that for air travel)

Less commuter and more regional. For example you could have a regional network just be Texas with trains connecting the major cities and travel out of Texas is by air.

Florida also works as a region as does the Atlanta-Charlotte-Nashville area.

But yes your example is pretty much what I’m thinking. Which strangely enough Atlanta used to be the hub for all trains back in the day.

[Shrillland]

A couple more calamitous congressional Covid cases: https://www.yahoo.com/news/congress-member-covid-surge-capitol-riot-lockdown-masks-175145638.html

Republican Chuck Fleischmann of Chattanooga-Oak Ridge, TN and Democrat Adriano Espillat of Harlem, NY.