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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:12 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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It's easy to say that when it's not your ass on the line tbf. Giving the Dems a big majority sounds great because it shuts out the GOP while they go nuts but can put tons of businesses and jobs in the industry at risk, some of which involve peoples entirely livelihoods and careers. That's why I didn't vote for Biden despite everything. I vastly prefer him to Trump, but especially in this economy I can't afford for him to go nuts with the ATF or EO's, it's not like you can just get another job nowadays if things go wrong.

I’m pretty sure the ATF is going to be booked for the foreseeable future dealing with the budding far-right insurgency, so I doubt that’s really going to be a concern, and big gun control legislation seems pretty far down the list of priorities after impeachment, corona, climate, shoring up democracy, etc.

What do you think is going to happen to your business in the event of civil war or large-scale upheaval of some type? Maybe you’ll make money for the first few months, but you’d have a target on your back with the feds and any insurgents who want to acquire weaponry. If the country collapses, I doubt that’ll be good for you, even if it might be better for business in some ways.

An insurgency from the altright is going to be more like the Troubles than an out and out civil war.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:12 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:We need someone like that.

Which brings me back to my point of if we’re to have an effective third positionist movement to succeed in the US, it has to be Long’s style of politics. The coming decade is going to be the best opportunity for this to happen, as at some point, the majority of Americans will get tired of the two sides constantly bickering and tearing the country apart in the process

Again, all your third positionism is going to get you is a military coup.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:14 pm

Andsed wrote:
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I've said it before and I'll say it again but Nixon was a damn saint compared to how many things have happened since.

I mean at least Watergate was non violent.


Not that it would matter. If Watergate happened today and the culprits livestreamed it will chanting "Trump!" over and over they'd still dismiss it as some "black satanic gay communist democrat" false flag op.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:14 pm

Firearm sales reached an all-time high in 2020 as Americans anticipated the possibility of additional gun control measures under a Joe Biden administration.

In 2021, gun sales could be in for another banner year given investors' reaction to the Capitol riots.

The stocks for several major gun manufacturers have risen sharply after rioters supporting President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol building Wednesday and interrupted certification of Biden as the next president.

While gun sales data in the time since the violence is not yet available, the stock price increases for gunmakers suggest investors believe 2021 will be another strong year.


I guess gun manufacturers couldn't be happier with the state of the nation right now..
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:14 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Wasn’t Huey Long more authoritarian than FDR, to the point where FDR and even conservative Republicans compared him to Mussolini?

He was also the only governor during the Great Depression era to actually improve the lives of his constituents directly through his policies, by funding LSU, enacting sweeping social reforms that left his legacy as a champion of the poor, and was supported by both the right and the left which was rare at the time

He also pissed off both the KKK and the various socialist movements at the time, which is a double win

And he also had similar rhetoric to fascist leaders at the time like Mussolini and ran Louisiana as an effective dictatorship, to the point where even FDR accused him of demagoguery
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:14 pm

Adamede wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I’m pretty sure the ATF is going to be booked for the foreseeable future dealing with the budding far-right insurgency, so I doubt that’s really going to be a concern, and big gun control legislation seems pretty far down the list of priorities after impeachment, corona, climate, shoring up democracy, etc.

What do you think is going to happen to your business in the event of civil war or large-scale upheaval of some type? Maybe you’ll make money for the first few months, but you’d have a target on your back with the feds and any insurgents who want to acquire weaponry. If the country collapses, I doubt that’ll be good for you, even if it might be better for business in some ways.

An insurgency from the altright is going to be more like the Troubles than an out and out civil war.

Oh, you’re right, my mistake. That won’t be a problem at all! WRA, Adamede says society is going to be just fine, so carry on.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:16 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:He was also the only governor during the Great Depression era to actually improve the lives of his constituents directly through his policies, by funding LSU, enacting sweeping social reforms that left his legacy as a champion of the poor, and was supported by both the right and the left which was rare at the time

He also pissed off both the KKK and the various socialist movements at the time, which is a double win

And he also had similar rhetoric to fascist leaders at the time like Mussolini and ran Louisiana as an effective dictatorship, to the point where even FDR accused him of demagoguery


Yep, and Louisiana is better for having been run by him.

I'm not a fascist, and I don't really think Long was either, but it's clear the things he did were needed in that state.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:16 pm

Bombadil wrote:Firearm sales reached an all-time high in 2020 as Americans anticipated the possibility of additional gun control measures under a Joe Biden administration.

In 2021, gun sales could be in for another banner year given investors' reaction to the Capitol riots.

The stocks for several major gun manufacturers have risen sharply after rioters supporting President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol building Wednesday and interrupted certification of Biden as the next president.

While gun sales data in the time since the violence is not yet available, the stock price increases for gunmakers suggest investors believe 2021 will be another strong year.


I guess gun manufacturers couldn't be happier with the state of the nation right now..


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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:16 pm

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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:17 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:"If we'll impeach a sitting president for inciting a riot to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, where's the line?"

Fucking tools.


Dont say that. Tools are actually useful.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:17 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:He was also the only governor during the Great Depression era to actually improve the lives of his constituents directly through his policies, by funding LSU, enacting sweeping social reforms that left his legacy as a champion of the poor, and was supported by both the right and the left which was rare at the time

He also pissed off both the KKK and the various socialist movements at the time, which is a double win

And he also had similar rhetoric to fascist leaders at the time like Mussolini and ran Louisiana as an effective dictatorship, to the point where even FDR accused him of demagoguery

So what? Really, you’re so focused on idealism that you’re missing the results of his tenure, which had poverty in Louisiana drastically reduced, education standards improved, and a lasting legacy as the champion for the poor, as well as breaking down racial barriers in a Deep South Jim Crow state, to the point where the KKK considered him the biggest nuisance
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:19 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's easy to say that when it's not your ass on the line tbf. Giving the Dems a big majority sounds great because it shuts out the GOP while they go nuts but can put tons of businesses and jobs in the industry at risk, some of which involve peoples entirely livelihoods and careers. That's why I didn't vote for Biden despite everything. I vastly prefer him to Trump, but especially in this economy I can't afford for him to go nuts with the ATF or EO's, it's not like you can just get another job nowadays if things go wrong.

I’m pretty sure the ATF is going to be booked for the foreseeable future dealing with the budding far-right insurgency, so I doubt that’s really going to be a concern, and big gun control legislation seems pretty far down the list of priorities after impeachment, corona, climate, shoring up democracy, etc.

What do you think is going to happen to your business in the event of civil war or large-scale upheaval of some type? Maybe you’ll make money for the first few months, but you’d have a target on your back with the feds and any insurgents who want to acquire weaponry. If the country collapses, I doubt that’ll be good for you, even if it might be better for business in some ways.


Oh I do agree it seems to be far down the list and I hope that holds true, because especially if the GOP doesn't distance themselves in a huge way from Trump then I'm never going to be able to vote for them. I would just like to be able to vote Dem without getting a knife in the back for it.

At least there's a growing number of liberal and progressive gun owners so maybe some progress can be made on that front and people like me can fully jump ship cuz fuck the GOP at this point. I might not have much love for American democracy but I'll be damned if Donald Trump of all people is the one to overtake it.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:19 pm

Salus Maior wrote:


Can you actually impeach a post-presidency dead person?

Can we get a lawyer on that?


Well someone did such a thing before.
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:20 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Who would even impeach George Washington? Unlike with Trump, it would serve no purpose.


He apparently also made a comparison with Obama and how he should be impeached over Benghazi- despite the fact the man can't even run for President again, and the fact impeachment is a political process- not a legal one. I'm pretty sure he even admitted that at some point.


Grant's Secretary of War Belknap resigned before his impeachment trial was held in the Senate but it happened anyway; he was not convicted, less than a 2/3 majority voting to convict. Pretty clear such a case has never been tried. Should McConnell decide his future depends on him twisting enough arms to get a conviction we may see it in the Supreme Court, at which point we may learn whether holding up one Justice for nearly a year because it was too close to a Presidential election while ramming through another while the next election was underway paid off for the Republicans or not. As for Graham, is he done with Trump today or is he still carrying a torch for the chief traitor?
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:21 pm

Nakena wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Can you actually impeach a post-presidency dead person?

Can we get a lawyer on that?


Well someone did such a thing before.


In American law.
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Postby ImperialRussia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:23 pm

Impeachment is good for the Chinese government will arrest all resistance who oppose china who support trumps cause

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:25 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Hhhhhh...sure, alright. If that's what it takes for a living breathing president who encouraged an attack on the legislature and the attempted murder of his Vice President, if we have an awkward reckoning with our problematic history, sure. If that will make Lindsey happy, sure. Okay.

George Washington didn't even want to be President.

The first election was basically trying to convince George to run the place.


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:26 pm

Adamede wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I’m pretty sure the ATF is going to be booked for the foreseeable future dealing with the budding far-right insurgency, so I doubt that’s really going to be a concern, and big gun control legislation seems pretty far down the list of priorities after impeachment, corona, climate, shoring up democracy, etc.

What do you think is going to happen to your business in the event of civil war or large-scale upheaval of some type? Maybe you’ll make money for the first few months, but you’d have a target on your back with the feds and any insurgents who want to acquire weaponry. If the country collapses, I doubt that’ll be good for you, even if it might be better for business in some ways.

An insurgency from the altright is going to be more like the Troubles than an out and out civil war.


Idk my definition of civil war is a little different from that of others so I view the troubles as a civil war.

I mean you had widespread loss of life, bombings, kidnappings and soldiers on the street. It sounds war-y to me, but some would say it isnt and at day's end it's semantics.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:27 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:Impeachment is good for the Chinese government will arrest all resistance who oppose china who support trumps cause


What the fuck ?
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Thats the worst excuse for a crime i saw since "I didn't rape the girl. She tripped and fell on my genitals."
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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:28 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I’m pretty sure the ATF is going to be booked for the foreseeable future dealing with the budding far-right insurgency, so I doubt that’s really going to be a concern, and big gun control legislation seems pretty far down the list of priorities after impeachment, corona, climate, shoring up democracy, etc.

What do you think is going to happen to your business in the event of civil war or large-scale upheaval of some type? Maybe you’ll make money for the first few months, but you’d have a target on your back with the feds and any insurgents who want to acquire weaponry. If the country collapses, I doubt that’ll be good for you, even if it might be better for business in some ways.


Oh I do agree it seems to be far down the list and I hope that holds true, because especially if the GOP doesn't distance themselves in a huge way from Trump then I'm never going to be able to vote for them. I would just like to be able to vote Dem without getting a knife in the back for it.

At least there's a growing number of liberal and progressive gun owners so maybe some progress can be made on that front and people like me can fully jump ship cuz fuck the GOP at this point. I might not have much love for American democracy but I'll be damned if Donald Trump of all people is the one to overtake it.

Don’t hold your breath.
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Salus Maior wrote:
Can you actually impeach a post-presidency dead person?

Can we get a lawyer on that?


Well someone did such a thing before.

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Postby Nejii » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:28 pm

ImperialRussia wrote:Impeachment is good for the Chinese government will arrest all resistance who oppose china who support trumps cause


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