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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:00 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Yes because nations are really going to have open arms to refugees


If they open their arms to Iraqis and Syrians (which have a history or warfare) then I think they will take in people from Fiji and Samoa and Tuvalu (which are more stable).

All people’s have a history of warfare. It’s just that Syria and Iraq literally have the longest history on earth.

And they haven’t exactly been welcomed with open arms.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:01 pm

Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:01 pm

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:Wasn’t Huey Long more authoritarian than FDR, to the point where FDR and even conservative Republicans compared him to Mussolini?

He was also the only governor during the Great Depression era to actually improve the lives of his constituents directly through his policies, by funding LSU, enacting sweeping social reforms that left his legacy as a champion of the poor, and was supported by both the right and the left which was rare at the time


Yep, you don't speak badly of Long in Louisiana even today.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:01 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Wasn’t Huey Long more authoritarian than FDR, to the point where FDR and even conservative Republicans compared him to Mussolini?

He was also the only governor during the Great Depression era to actually improve the lives of his constituents directly through his policies, by funding LSU, enacting sweeping social reforms that left his legacy as a champion of the poor, and was supported by both the right and the left which was rare at the time

We need someone like that.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:01 pm

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Senkaku wrote:You’re laughing, but what about when Zombie Washington announces his 2024 run, with his main plank being the restoration of slavery?


For what it's worth, Washington did note that if there were a north-south division on the issue of Slavery, he'd side with the North. Which of course is more than a lot of Virginians did when that divide did end up happening.

Yeah, but this is Zombie Washington. Couple centuries in the ground messes up your brain, I imagine it’s a sort of Pet Sematary situation.

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Thermodolia wrote:Yes because nations are really going to have open arms to refugees


If they open their arms to Iraqis and Syrians (which have a history or warfare) then I think they will take in people from Fiji and Samoa and Tuvalu (which are more stable).

That would be true, but they don’t open their arms to Iraqis and Syrians... and in the West, that’s mostly because of the advocacy of folks like yourself.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:02 pm

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Hhhhhh...sure, alright. If that's what it takes for a living breathing president who encouraged an attack on the legislature and the attempted murder of his Vice President, if we have an awkward reckoning with our problematic history, sure. If that will make Lindsey happy, sure. Okay.

George Washington didn't even want to be President.

The first election was basically trying to convince George to run the place.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:02 pm



At this point we should just impeach the whole government. Start over.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:02 pm



How sad, and embarrassing. Not to mention, it has no relevance to the conversation. Graham should be ashamed of himself- if he knew what that was.
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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:02 pm

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MIC? But I do feel as more businesses close up political donations, Republicans will become more supportive of convicting though that's honestly ashamed it takes that to get that support.


I'm curious as to gun manufacturers..

American society has already been quite clear on where the divisions on that particular issue lie.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:02 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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What a fucking tool lol

You’re laughing, but what about when Zombie Washington announces his 2024 run, with his main plank being the restoration of slavery?

"These enchanted dentures made of slave's teeth have risen me from my slumber 225 years from my death to put black people back in their place and reign terror on cherry orchards...""
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:05 pm

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Speaking professionally for a moment the industry will still back the GOP, albeit I can assure you from chat I'm hearing it's becoming more and more reluctantly amongst a lot of FFL holders, because it's genuinely suicidal not to. A lot of us would jump ship if the Dems stopped being dumb but it's a culture war issue and that's not gonna happen.

If they prefer to avoid financial suicide over actual societal suicide, I suppose that’s their prerogative. We all have our weird preferences on how to exit the stage gracefully.


It's easy to say that when it's not your ass on the line tbf. Giving the Dems a big majority sounds great because it shuts out the GOP while they go nuts but can put tons of businesses and jobs in the industry at risk, some of which involve peoples entirely livelihoods and careers. That's why I didn't vote for Biden despite everything. I vastly prefer him to Trump, but especially in this economy I can't afford for him to go nuts with the ATF or EO's, it's not like you can just get another job nowadays if things go wrong.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:05 pm

"If we'll impeach a sitting president for inciting a riot to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, where's the line?"

Fucking tools.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:05 pm


Who would even impeach George Washington? Unlike with Trump, it would serve no purpose.

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:06 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:He was also the only governor during the Great Depression era to actually improve the lives of his constituents directly through his policies, by funding LSU, enacting sweeping social reforms that left his legacy as a champion of the poor, and was supported by both the right and the left which was rare at the time

We need someone like that.

Which brings me back to my point of if we’re to have an effective third positionist movement to succeed in the US, it has to be Long’s style of politics. The coming decade is going to be the best opportunity for this to happen, as at some point, the majority of Americans will get tired of the two sides constantly bickering and tearing the country apart in the process
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:06 pm

Shout out to my former colleagues in the US Department of State who sent two messages through the dissent channel, one demanding State issue press guidance condemning Trump and his attempted coup and the other urging Pompeo to cooperate with any move to remove Trump under Amendment XXV. The past four years must have been a living hell for any patriots left in State. Christ, it was tough enough defending Reagan back in the day. I really can't imagine.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:06 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

Who would even impeach George Washington? Unlike with Trump, it would serve no purpose.


He apparently also made a comparison with Obama and how he should be impeached over Benghazi- despite the fact the man can't even run for President again, and the fact impeachment is a political process- not a legal one. I'm pretty sure he even admitted that at some point.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:07 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:"If we'll impeach a sitting president for inciting a riot to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, where's the line?"

Fucking tools.


Nixon be like..
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:08 pm

"No true supporter of mine could ever commit political violence."

Except the ones whose legal fees I offered to pay for beating up people for political reasons at my rallies.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:08 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:"If we'll impeach a sitting president for inciting a riot to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, where's the line?"

Fucking tools.


Nixon be like..


I've said it before and I'll say it again but Nixon was a damn saint compared to how many things have happened since.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Nixon be like..


I've said it before and I'll say it again but Nixon was a damn saint compared to how many things have happened since.


Hold on, friend, it's only downhill from here.
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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Nixon be like..


I've said it before and I'll say it again but Nixon was a damn saint compared to how many things have happened since.

At least he had the decency to resign when after Watergate.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Senkaku wrote:If they prefer to avoid financial suicide over actual societal suicide, I suppose that’s their prerogative. We all have our weird preferences on how to exit the stage gracefully.


It's easy to say that when it's not your ass on the line tbf. Giving the Dems a big majority sounds great because it shuts out the GOP while they go nuts but can put tons of businesses and jobs in the industry at risk, some of which involve peoples entirely livelihoods and careers. That's why I didn't vote for Biden despite everything. I vastly prefer him to Trump, but especially in this economy I can't afford for him to go nuts with the ATF or EO's, it's not like you can just get another job nowadays if things go wrong.

I’m pretty sure the ATF is going to be booked for the foreseeable future dealing with the budding far-right insurgency, so I doubt that’s really going to be a concern, and big gun control legislation seems pretty far down the list of priorities after impeachment, corona, climate, shoring up democracy, etc.

What do you think is going to happen to your business in the event of civil war or large-scale upheaval of some type? Maybe you’ll make money for the first few months, but you’d have a target on your back with the feds and any insurgents who want to acquire weaponry. If the country collapses, I doubt that’ll be good for you, even if it might be better for business in some ways.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Nixon be like..


I've said it before and I'll say it again but Nixon was a damn saint compared to how many things have happened since.

I mean at least Watergate was non violent.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:12 pm

Adamede wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again but Nixon was a damn saint compared to how many things have happened since.

At least he had the decency to resign when after Watergate.


I might replace 'decency' with 'intelligence' but, regardless, it's clear Trump has neither.
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