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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:59 am

By the way, the facial recognition company Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) was talking about yesterday when trying to reject the votes came out and said that was entirely false
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:01 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Amazing. Every word in that post was wrong.



Vassenor claims Breonna Taylor did not die in a shootout with police.

And to the awesome quotes thread with you
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:01 pm

Kowani wrote:Trump attempts to go back to business as usual



Nakena wrote:Usually DC used to be protected by various agencies and security forces, a lot of them plainclothed etc. and not necessarily apparent.

Seems they were all mysteriously absent yesterday.

I posts this earlier, but it’s worth doing again:
They were too “concerned about optics”


Returning to normal usually is what Trump is doing if something isnt working out. Likely it wont work out this time though.

As for the optics, they didn even have to deploy National Guard or whatever. Even a proper police or secret service or whatever they have barricade and guard would have likely prevented a storming.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:01 pm

Kowani wrote:By the way, the facial recognition company Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) was talking about yesterday when trying to reject the votes came out and said that was entirely false


And yet Republicans will keep citing it for years to come.
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Postby Page » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:02 pm

His Excellence wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:^This.
Ahmaud Arbery was jogging.
Breonna Taylor was sleeping.
George Floyd was going to the store.
Jacob Blake was walking to his car after trying to stop a fight.

Breonna Taylor went from dating one drug dealer to another, but it's the cops' fault that her boyfriend started a shootout with them while she was nearby, supposedly on the pretense of thinking it was the ex-boyfriend coming into the house, and she died during it.
George Floyd was overdosing from a combination of drugs and saying he couldn't breathe before he even got out of his vehicle, and the cops did more to comply with him than he did to comply with them, but again, cops' fault that he died of an overdose (as the autopsy showed) while restrained.
Jacob Blake was attempting to steal house keys from an ex-girlfriend and had a warrant for sexual assaulting a teenager, resisted arrest, and by his own admission was wielding a knife when the cops' shot him... but if you notice the pattern here, again, totally the cops' fault.

Ahmaud Arbery was the victim of a hate crime. That is true. But then he, and every other black person targeted by a hate crime, gets lumped in with anybody of a similar color who dies anywhere near law enforcement. I didn't hear anything about Arbery more than a couple days after he was killed, while all these fictionalized martyrs get months of air time and outrage, because it serves a purpose to the people in power. That disgusts me. Actual hate crimes getting shoved aside in favor of a narrative.

When people say "I can't breathe," it used to be in reference to Eric Garner, a man who was murdered by police officers for no reason but the color of his skin. What used to be a sincere rallying cry against police brutality has now become associated with an overdose of fentanyl and meth, the massive civil unrest it inspired, and subsequent suffering inflicted on black communities in the name of Black Lives Matter.


I'm not going to go through these one by one but I have to call out the George Floyd one because it's by far the most stupid lie.

George Floyd did not die of an overdose. People who overdose on opioids do not go from conscious to dead like a light switch. First comes relaxation, then nodding off, then unconsciousness, then death. The fact that George Floyd was awake and yelling that he couldn't breathe makes it obvious that he was nowhere near a state of overdose. Also the autopsy results were clear that his death was homicide.

Get a drug education ffs.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:04 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Tranzoria wrote:Emperor Sanders.


There is only one true Emperor of the United States.

All Hail his imperial majesty, Joshua Abraham Norton the first, Emperor of these United States and protector of Mexico.

One day, in our darkest hour, he will return to us with an army of the honored dead at his side.

Emperor Norton would not be on your side.
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Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:05 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
There is only one true Emperor of the United States.

All Hail his imperial majesty, Joshua Abraham Norton the first, Emperor of these United States and protector of Mexico.

One day, in our darkest hour, he will return to us with an army of the honored dead at his side.

Emperor Norton would not be on your side.

He will always be with us...even in death...
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:05 pm

Rep. Adam Klizinger (R-IL) becomes the first House Republican to call for the invoking of the 25th amendment
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Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:06 pm

Page wrote:
His Excellence wrote:Breonna Taylor went from dating one drug dealer to another, but it's the cops' fault that her boyfriend started a shootout with them while she was nearby, supposedly on the pretense of thinking it was the ex-boyfriend coming into the house, and she died during it.
George Floyd was overdosing from a combination of drugs and saying he couldn't breathe before he even got out of his vehicle, and the cops did more to comply with him than he did to comply with them, but again, cops' fault that he died of an overdose (as the autopsy showed) while restrained.
Jacob Blake was attempting to steal house keys from an ex-girlfriend and had a warrant for sexual assaulting a teenager, resisted arrest, and by his own admission was wielding a knife when the cops' shot him... but if you notice the pattern here, again, totally the cops' fault.

Ahmaud Arbery was the victim of a hate crime. That is true. But then he, and every other black person targeted by a hate crime, gets lumped in with anybody of a similar color who dies anywhere near law enforcement. I didn't hear anything about Arbery more than a couple days after he was killed, while all these fictionalized martyrs get months of air time and outrage, because it serves a purpose to the people in power. That disgusts me. Actual hate crimes getting shoved aside in favor of a narrative.

When people say "I can't breathe," it used to be in reference to Eric Garner, a man who was murdered by police officers for no reason but the color of his skin. What used to be a sincere rallying cry against police brutality has now become associated with an overdose of fentanyl and meth, the massive civil unrest it inspired, and subsequent suffering inflicted on black communities in the name of Black Lives Matter.


I'm not going to go through these one by one but I have to call out the George Floyd one because it's by far the most stupid lie.

George Floyd did not die of an overdose. People who overdose on opioids do not go from conscious to dead like a light switch. First comes relaxation, then nodding off, then unconsciousness, then death. The fact that George Floyd was awake and yelling that he couldn't breathe makes it obvious that he was nowhere near a state of overdose. Also the autopsy results were clear that his death was homicide.

Get a drug education ffs.

Homicide, you mean Murder.
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Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm

Kowani wrote:Rep. Adam Klizinger (R-IL) becomes the first House Republican to call for the invoking of the 25th amendment

Because if Biden dies a much more Liberal and Progressive Harris will take the stage, or is this about Trump and Pence?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm

Tranzoria wrote:
Kowani wrote:Rep. Adam Klizinger (R-IL) becomes the first House Republican to call for the invoking of the 25th amendment

Because if Biden dies a much more Liberal and Progressive Harris will take the stage, or is this about Trump and Pence?


Trump and Pence, Biden doesn't become president until noon of Jan. 20th.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:09 pm

Tranzoria wrote:
Kowani wrote:Rep. Adam Klizinger (R-IL) becomes the first House Republican to call for the invoking of the 25th amendment

Because if Biden dies a much more Liberal and Progressive Harris will take the stage, or is this about Trump and Pence?

Trump and pence
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Postby Istoreya » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:09 pm

Tranzoria wrote:
Kowani wrote:Rep. Adam Klizinger (R-IL) becomes the first House Republican to call for the invoking of the 25th amendment

Because if Biden dies a much more Liberal and Progressive Harris will take the stage, or is this about Trump and Pence?

It's about Trump and Pence. Republicans and Democrats alike want him out of the office, now that he has the blood of four of his own supporters on his hands.

Edit: He has a lot more blood on his hands than just those four, but these are the ones that tipped it over the edge
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:09 pm

Kowani wrote:Rep. Adam Klizinger (R-IL) becomes the first House Republican to call for the invoking of the 25th amendment

I wish I had archived my speculation that Trump's temper tantrum would become enough of an albatross that Republicans would start entertaining the 25th to cut him loose before he sank the whole fucking ship, 'cause now I just look like I'm making up a prediction.

But also, that's fine and all but until cabinet members start talking about it...though I guess as soon as they do they get shitcanned.
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Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:10 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Tranzoria wrote:Because if Biden dies a much more Liberal and Progressive Harris will take the stage, or is this about Trump and Pence?


Trump and Pence, Biden doesn't become president until noon of Jan. 20th.

Thanks.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:12 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kowani wrote:Rep. Adam Klizinger (R-IL) becomes the first House Republican to call for the invoking of the 25th amendment

I wish I had archived my speculation that Trump's temper tantrum would become enough of an albatross that Republicans would start entertaining the 25th to cut him loose before he sank the whole fucking ship, 'cause now I just look like I'm making up a prediction.

But also, that's fine and all but until cabinet members start talking about it...though I guess as soon as they do they get shitcanned.

I suppose. I think that he should be impeached and convicted because that would permanently disqualify him from holding office ever again. Do we really want to see Trump campaigning, after stewing in his own juices and being basted with MAGA gravy for four years?
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:12 pm

Tranzoria wrote:
Kowani wrote:Rep. Adam Klizinger (R-IL) becomes the first House Republican to call for the invoking of the 25th amendment

Because if Biden dies a much more Liberal and Progressive Harris will take the stage, or is this about Trump and Pence?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:13 pm

Biden prefaced his nomination speech for the AG positions by acknowledging the disparity in the use of force against white protesters and black protesters without equivocating.

Anyway, we know who it is at the top Garland. Then it's a bunch of women I've never heard of. Two of them have strong civil rights backgrounds.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:13 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Biden prefaced his nomination speech for the AG positions by acknowledging the disparity in the use of force against white protesters and black protesters without equivocating.

Anyway, we know who it is at the top Garland. Then it's a bunch of women I've never heard of. Two of them have strong civil rights backgrounds.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:15 pm

Someone smeared what looks like blood on a bust of Zachary Taylor. What da fuck?
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Postby Corindia » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:15 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I wish I had archived my speculation that Trump's temper tantrum would become enough of an albatross that Republicans would start entertaining the 25th to cut him loose before he sank the whole fucking ship, 'cause now I just look like I'm making up a prediction.

But also, that's fine and all but until cabinet members start talking about it...though I guess as soon as they do they get shitcanned.

Do we really want to see Trump campaigning, after stewing in his own juices and being basted with MAGA gravy for four years?

He's turning out to be pretty ineffective so sure, I'd love for Republicans to be haunted by their past choices for the next few election cycles. It's either him or a smarter crypto-fascist.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:15 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I wish I had archived my speculation that Trump's temper tantrum would become enough of an albatross that Republicans would start entertaining the 25th to cut him loose before he sank the whole fucking ship, 'cause now I just look like I'm making up a prediction.

But also, that's fine and all but until cabinet members start talking about it...though I guess as soon as they do they get shitcanned.

I suppose. I think that he should be impeached and convicted because that would permanently disqualify him from holding office ever again. Do we really want to see Trump campaigning, after stewing in his own juices and being basted with MAGA gravy for four years?

Ideally. But, you know...
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:15 pm

Tranzoria wrote:Because if Biden dies a much more Liberal and Progressive Harris will take the stage, or is this about Trump and Pence?

Harris is hardly progressive, given her treatment of prisoners during her time serving in California.
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Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:16 pm

Farnhamia wrote:Someone smeared what looks like blood on a bust of Zachary Taylor. What da fuck?

Most likely about the fact he wanted to keep Slavery going and pushed hard in his short time in Office to do so.
Edit: Wrong President, who the hell knows why.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:16 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I wish I had archived my speculation that Trump's temper tantrum would become enough of an albatross that Republicans would start entertaining the 25th to cut him loose before he sank the whole fucking ship, 'cause now I just look like I'm making up a prediction.

But also, that's fine and all but until cabinet members start talking about it...though I guess as soon as they do they get shitcanned.

I suppose. I think that he should be impeached and convicted because that would permanently disqualify him from holding office ever again. Do we really want to see Trump campaigning, after stewing in his own juices and being basted with MAGA gravy for four years?


Trump's peeps wouldn't recognize the disqualification any more than they recognize his loss in November.

Incidentally... the idea of Trump's "own juices" makes me wanna gag.
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