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Cordel One
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:41 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Page wrote:Not at all surprised but nonetheless creeped out by how enthusiastically liberals have embraced the idea of charging people with sedition, a constitutionally questionable crime with a history of being used against labor and anti-war activists. 100 years ago people were charged with sedition for daring to suggest that 18 year old American boys shouldn't die in a war between European monarchs. And they're all so sure a right-wing government will never take power and use it against them.


Malaysia, Hong Kong, and India all have a colonial-era Sedition Act and it is as draconian as you make it out to be. Criticizing the monarchy, insulting Islam, and insulting the prime minister are all considered seditious in Malaysia. Suddenly the police aren't cracking down hard enough? Whatever happened to ACAB? Are Democrats going to demand that Antifa Blackshirts be charged with sedition? Does the Left actually stand for freedom at all or are they just grandstanding as usual?

"Freedom for me but not for thee."

Page is a leftist and he's commenting against sedition, and I wholeheartedly agree. Also, the Democrats are cringe and they aren't leftist.

Anyways, stop posting mountains of buzzwords.
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Tranzoria
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Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:41 am


I think this time a Wall is actually needed.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:41 am


It will only be temporary

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:41 am


7 foot wall for the next 30 days. Small correction!
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:42 am

Tranzoria wrote:

I think this time a Wall is actually needed.


The only wall that was ever needed. A wall to protect America from America.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:42 am


Trump finally got a wall put up.
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:42 am

Luminesa wrote:

7 foot wall for the next 30 days. Small correction!


The big Anti-Trumpist Protection Rampart of Washington DC.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:43 am

Luminesa wrote:

7 foot wall for the next 30 days. Small correction!

Damn speed typing
Thanks, Lumi

Editing now
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:43 am


The post says 7 feet for 30 days, not 30 feet. A two story barricade would be amusing though, if still a sad reflection on what this country has become.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:43 am

Insaanistan wrote:And secondly, a conservative isn’t shot every 29 hours. 1 out of 1000 conservatives aren’t going to get shot by police. Conservatives haven’t been profiled for centuries for being conservative, and aren’t incarcerated at higher rates for crimes they didn’t commit than liberals. Conservatives aren’t not having an opioid epidemic simply because doctors look at them and refuse to give them painkillers because they assume they’ll just sell them.
You are NOT a victim. Accept it.


Aside from a couple very specific circumstances there you're rather wrong.
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Kexholm Karelia
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:43 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Page wrote:Not at all surprised but nonetheless creeped out by how enthusiastically liberals have embraced the idea of charging people with sedition, a constitutionally questionable crime with a history of being used against labor and anti-war activists. 100 years ago people were charged with sedition for daring to suggest that 18 year old American boys shouldn't die in a war between European monarchs. And they're all so sure a right-wing government will never take power and use it against them.


Malaysia, Hong Kong, and India all have a colonial-era Sedition Act and it is as draconian as you make it out to be. Criticizing the monarchy, insulting Islam, and insulting the prime minister are all considered seditious in Malaysia. Suddenly the police aren't cracking down hard enough? Whatever happened to ACAB? Are Democrats going to demand that Antifa Blackshirts be charged with sedition? Does the Left actually stand for freedom at all or are they just grandstanding as usual?

"Freedom for me but not for thee."

When you are privileged, it’s very easy to take things like freedom of speech, press, democracy, and such for granted. Most extremists in the West can’t even imagine what it would be like living under the same regimes they envision, whatever ideology it may be. Isn’t it funny how most people who support the CCP online are either paid trolls or people who’ve never once been to China?
Luminesa wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve071iEHxxI

While this could also work in the CDT, I wanted to post this here. Bishop Barron's excellent exhortation toward peace and civil discussion among US citizens I think is a good little source of light for our American Catholics. Highly recommend it.

I hope all of you have gotten some rest and are feeling a little refreshed from yesterday's chaos, please take care of yourselves and your neighbors.

I agree, violence should only be a very last resort and in most cases it is unjustified when there are peaceful ways
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Cordel One
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:43 am

Heloin wrote:

Trump finally got a wall put up.

Petition to lock Congress in and make them pay for it?
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Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:44 am

When both Democrats and Republicans agree that they need to build a wall.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:44 am

Tranzoria wrote:When both Democrats and Republicans agree that they need to build a wall.

It will only be temporary

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:46 am

Official statement from outgoing Sec. of Transportation Elaine Chao:

Image
read your own damn sources
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Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
Tranzoria wrote:When both Democrats and Republicans agree that they need to build a wall.

It will only be temporary

It will give enough time to rebuild though.
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Asherahan
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Postby Asherahan » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:46 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:And secondly, a conservative isn’t shot every 29 hours. 1 out of 1000 conservatives aren’t going to get shot by police. Conservatives haven’t been profiled for centuries for being conservative, and aren’t incarcerated at higher rates for crimes they didn’t commit than liberals. Conservatives aren’t not having an opioid epidemic simply because doctors look at them and refuse to give them painkillers because they assume they’ll just sell them.
You are NOT a victim. Accept it.


Aside from a couple very specific circumstances there you're rather wrong.

You maybe right or you maybe wrong I don't know I am not an American but what America does have is systemic racism problem you haven't outgrown left from the civil war and after.

You people should start by just making it law that anyone who support the confederacy or flag waves the confederate flag out side of historical or RP reasons is a traitor and should be persecuted by the law as such.
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New Vedan
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Postby New Vedan » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:47 am

Tranzoria wrote:When both Democrats and Republicans agree that they need to build a wall.



Yep, and it's a crying shame that it's supposed to keep the politicians away from the people. Tho I cant really say I blame them after last night.

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Insaanistan
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:47 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:And secondly, a conservative isn’t shot every 29 hours. 1 out of 1000 conservatives aren’t going to get shot by police. Conservatives haven’t been profiled for centuries for being conservative, and aren’t incarcerated at higher rates for crimes they didn’t commit than liberals. Conservatives aren’t not having an opioid epidemic simply because doctors look at them and refuse to give them painkillers because they assume they’ll just sell them.
You are NOT a victim. Accept it.


Aside from a couple very specific circumstances there you're rather wrong.

Yeah, no.
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:48 am

Asherahan wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Aside from a couple very specific circumstances there you're rather wrong.

You maybe right or you maybe wrong I don't know I am not an American but what America does have is systemic racism problem you haven't outgrown left from the civil war and after.

You people should start by just making it law that anyone who support the confederacy or flag waves the confederate flag out side of historical or RP reasons is a traitor and should be persecuted by the law as such.

Well, Trump supporters are Confederacy LARPers anyway, I doubt that would change anything.
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The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby Untecna » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:48 am

Kowani wrote:Official statement from outgoing Sec. of Transportation Elaine Chao:

(Image)

Oh crap Buttigeg is taking over?

This should be interesting...
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Kanadorika
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Postby Kanadorika » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:48 am

Heloin wrote:
Sahravana wrote:Like the other socialist leftist radicals, I see that since you could not address my logical argument you attacked a spelling error instead. Hint: that means that you lost the argument

Accusing Emerald of all people of being a radical socialist is fucking hilarious.

In America, anybody who doesn't support Trump is a communist. I've been called a communist for supporting Monarchism lmao.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:49 am

Cordel One wrote:
Heloin wrote:Trump finally got a wall put up.

Petition to lock Congress in and make them pay for it?

Pelosi alone could pay for it.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:49 am

Untecna wrote:
Kowani wrote:Official statement from outgoing Sec. of Transportation Elaine Chao:

(Image)

Oh crap Buttigeg is taking over?

This should be interesting...

Nope. There will be an acting Secretary until he is confirmed by the Senate.

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His Excellence
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby His Excellence » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:49 am

Insaanistan wrote:^This.
Ahmaud Arbery was jogging.
Breonna Taylor was sleeping.
George Floyd was going to the store.
Jacob Blake was walking to his car after trying to stop a fight.

Breonna Taylor went from dating one drug dealer to another, but it's the cops' fault that her boyfriend started a shootout with them while she was nearby, supposedly on the pretense of thinking it was the ex-boyfriend coming into the house, and she died during it.
George Floyd was overdosing from a combination of drugs and saying he couldn't breathe before he even got out of his vehicle, and the cops did more to comply with him than he did to comply with them, but again, cops' fault that he died of an overdose (as the autopsy showed) while restrained.
Jacob Blake was attempting to steal house keys from an ex-girlfriend and had a warrant for sexual assaulting a teenager, resisted arrest, and by his own admission was wielding a knife when the cops' shot him... but if you notice the pattern here, again, totally the cops' fault.

Ahmaud Arbery was the victim of a hate crime. That is true. But then he, and every other black person targeted by a hate crime, gets lumped in with anybody of a similar color who dies anywhere near law enforcement. I didn't hear anything about Arbery more than a couple days after he was killed, while all these fictionalized martyrs get months of air time and outrage, because it serves a purpose to the people in power. That disgusts me. Actual hate crimes getting shoved aside in favor of a narrative.

When people say "I can't breathe," it used to be in reference to Eric Garner, a man who was murdered by police officers for no reason but the color of his skin. What used to be a sincere rallying cry against police brutality has now become associated with an overdose of fentanyl and meth, the massive civil unrest it inspired, and subsequent suffering inflicted on black communities in the name of Black Lives Matter.
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