American Politics I: It's All Applesauce

[Asherahan]

And what makes America "exceptional?"

The fact that American democracy is unusually and extremely resilient compared to most countries such as Malaysia, Hong Kong, Brazil, or the Philippines. It is perhaps the only country in the world with a presidential-type democratic system that isn't a failed, banana republic. This makes it one-of-a-kind.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nah. Not taking the bait.

[Kowani]

The Trump campaign lawyer who said there were a “non-zero number” of Republicans observing Philly vote count asks to withdraw:

“Client has used the lawyer’s services to perpetrate a crime and the client insists upon taking action that the lawyer considers repugnant and with which the lawyer fundamentally disagrees.”

Speaking of: The lawyer who was on Trump’s call with Raffensperger, Cleta Mitchell, has left the firm where she was working.

[Sahravana]

doesn't matter

Yes it does, because firing somebody for committing a serious crime and firing them for having political opinions you disagree with are wildly different.

pretty soon being conservative will be considered "a serious crime"

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yes it does, because firing somebody for committing a serious crime and firing them for having political opinions you disagree with are wildly different.

pretty soon being conservative will be considered "a serious crime"

You are so desperate to be a victim its laughable.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

You joking right? You think it was wrong to fire this person for insurrection and sedition?

that's what they said about samuel jackson and the sons of liberty

What this sounds like is support for political violence.

[Gravlen]

barbarians from the viking age joined the crowds it seems.

With furs and horns!

I saw somewhere that apparently 45% of Republicans support the storming of the Capitol.

Imagine 45% support for the men with the horned fur hat.

It's the Qhaman.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

What’s the difference between the political situation in the US and Nicaragua?

The Nicaraguan President’s terrorist thugs haven’t invaded the National Assembly, yet.

Jokes aside, this is extremely saddening and disgusting, but it’s not surprising in hindsight. Planned by the GOP or not, a clear chain of actions set this up. Trump declared himself president and called democracy illegal. He promoted QAnon, which called for violent insurrection should Trump lose. The rioters were simply following through.

What was surprising is how much of a fucking clown show the law enforcement response was. If hundreds of armed terrorists tried to invade the second most important building in the country, if not the most, I would have thought the police would fight back. If there ever war a time for police to shoot at crowds, it would specifically be when they’re trying to attack an entire branch of the US government to disrupt the democratic process and coup the elected candidate. Despite this, the Trump supporters were treated as roughly as peaceful protesters when they were committing an act of terrorism and insurrection. I don’t believe the death penalty should be used and I think police brutality is a serious issue that should be addressed, but I’m extremely concerned the government was so gentle with terrorists who attempted to overthrow our democracy. All of these people should be arrested, they are not patriots, they are violent traitors. These are people who support a immoral crook and liar and are willing to destroy the foundations this country was built upon to have him win at all costs. If these dumbasses waved flags of Islamic fundamentalism rather than white supremacy, they would be dead right now. As the communist bastard Mao said, the US is a paper tiger. We can’t defend our own elected leaders from anti-democratic domestic terrorists, much less maintain our global influence should the existence of such a movement continue.

The issue is one of two Americas. There’s an America for everyone and there’s Trump’s America. A large part of the country puts their strongman over everyone’s well being and the ideals that made America great. I can only hope less extreme conservatives are able to put the country before Trump’s Party.

I don’t know if the GOP can be redeemed, but I hope the few Republicans in DC who genuinely love America take a stand. There is a good chance the GOP will splinter when they have to chose an identity, I’ve seen it happen with Republicans online already. GOP legislators know it will difficult to keep this crap up. Trump is an obstacle to campaign with. But they also have used Trump fanaticism to win elections. The less ideological Congress members will have to chose whether they run as Republicans or Trump supporters. The GOP will fight over whether it is the Republican Party or Trump’s Party. His personality cult has created quite an issue now. Any reasonable statement from GOP legislators will earn them the ire of Trump supporters, but always agreeing with Trump will prevent any bipartisan cooperation or support from moderates. In the best case scenario, Trump supporters get pissed off by the former GOP establishment and go third party and the remainder of GOP leadership will have change their policies to appeal to ideological voters.

Republicans know pursuing a Trump re-election would be idiotic, but what else do they have now? Unless fanatic Trump supporters magically go back to normal humans and everyone just forgets what happened in the last 4 years, the GOP may be too fractured to run a viable campaign against Biden or retake the Senate. However, I’m expecting a lot of far right political violence to be a long lasting part of Trump’s legacy. Anyone who said not to worry about Trump in 2016 can take their bullshit and shove it back down their mouth, this is the most threatened position the Union has been in since the Civil War, and the worst attack of our federal government since 1814. This new political situation won’t be going away any time soon and Americans will have to deal with the consequences for years.

In the meantime, we have at least 4 years to rebuild the country after the most disastrous presidency in history. Democrats aren’t imperfect or infallible, but they have a promising platform and certainly could not do worse. Mitch McConnell will be gone too, which gives me hope for significant progress being made. The Biden Administration will inherit a chaotic dumpster fire of a country, but America has always been able to recover. Even though this is an unique disaster of a presidency, we Americans will figure it out and fix the country, probably. Hopefully.

[Vassenor]

You joking right? You think it was wrong to fire this person for insurrection and sedition?

that's what they said about samuel jackson and the sons of liberty

And what freedom was this guy fighting for?

[Des-Bal]

pretty soon being conservative will be considered "a serious crime"

So in your mind if someone wearing a MAGA hat killed and ate a baby on camera, firing would be an attack on free speech?

[Untecna]

the radical left claims to support free speech, but this is what they do behind the scenes.

Was he fired for saying "I support Trump" or for illegally entering the Capitol trying to disrupt the electoral process ?

The second one. Quite honestly everyone who stormed the Capitol should be fired and imprisoned. Not only for the storming of the Capitol, but also disrupting the peace and other things that may have happened. Overall, this was just a coup attempt and should be treated as such.

what are you talking about?

I am talking about the radical liberal socialists love for fascism.

The radical left would not like fascism in the slightest. Grab yourself a political compass and some learning materials.

never heard of him or her.

I have never heard such transphobic rhetoric in my life. you ought to be ashamed.

Take a moment to calm down, and then learn how to take a joke.

[Sahravana]

pretty soon being conservative will be considered "a serious crime"

You are so desperate to be a victim its laughable.

the blacks acted like victims just because a few of them got shot... how is this less significant

[Gravlen]

Fmr AG Bill Barr says Donald Trump's conduct as a violent mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol was a "betrayal of his office and supporters." In a statement to The AP, Barr said that "orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable."

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Not at all surprised but nonetheless creeped out by how enthusiastically liberals have embraced the idea of charging people with sedition, a constitutionally questionable crime with a history of being used against labor and anti-war activists. 100 years ago people were charged with sedition for daring to suggest that 18 year old American boys shouldn't die in a war between European monarchs. And they're all so sure a right-wing government will never take power and use it against them.

[Vassenor]

You are so desperate to be a victim its laughable.

the blacks acted like victims just because a few of them got shot... how is this less significant

So if 53 people being arrested for trying to overturn a free and fair election is tyranny, what does that make 280 people being arrested in one night for protesting against police brutality?

[Kowani]

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin condemns the violence

[Insaanistan]

You joking right? You think it was wrong to fire this person for insurrection and sedition?

that's what they said about samuel jackson and the sons of liberty

Wanting your country to be independent due to a gross lack of political representation is not the same as storming a government building because you don’t like who won. One is something we can all identify with. The second one is just being a whiny conspiracy theorist.

[Sahravana]

the blacks acted like victims just because a few of them got shot... how is this less significant

So if 53 people being arrested for trying to overturn a free and fair election is tyranny, what does that make 280 people being arrested in one night for protesting against police brutality?

that was antifa

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Not at all surprised but nonetheless creeped out by how enthusiastically liberals have embraced the idea of charging people with sedition, a constitutionally questionable crime with a history of being used against labor and anti-war activists. 100 years ago people were charged with sedition for daring to suggest that 18 year old American boys shouldn't die in a war between European monarchs. And they're all so sure a right-wing government will never take power and use it against them.

They should definitely be charged with crimes like trespassing and property destruction and all that. On the other hand, sedition is sort of overly political. It is the most direct manifestation of the self-perpetuating state.

[The Emerald Legion]

the blacks acted like victims just because a few of them got shot... how is this less significant

So if 53 people being arrested for trying to overturn a free and fair election is tyranny, what does that make 280 people being arrested in one night for protesting against police brutality?

They weren't protesting police brutality. That's an excuse.

[Vassenor]

So if 53 people being arrested for trying to overturn a free and fair election is tyranny, what does that make 280 people being arrested in one night for protesting against police brutality?

that was antifa

What was?

[San Lumen]

Yes it does, because firing somebody for committing a serious crime and firing them for having political opinions you disagree with are wildly different.

pretty soon being conservative will be considered "a serious crime"

That’s is such a ludicrous statement I don’t even know how to respond. Everyone involved in yesterday’s coup should lose their jobs and be arrested.

[Spirit of Hope]

You joking right? You think it was wrong to fire this person for insurrection and sedition?

that's what they said about samuel jackson and the sons of liberty

Do you mean Samuel Adams?

The first amendment protects you from the government interfering in your speech, it does not protect your from others reacting to your speech. Now I'll agree that it is improper for businesses to fire their employees for peacefully protesting, but saying they shouldn't fire people who break the law is taking it a bit far.

[Corindia]

I’m expecting a lot of far right political violence to be a long lasting part of Trump’s legacy.

pretty much, living in a red state I'm going to need a plan in case trump supporters start to look up voter registrations and target the addresses of people who aren't republican. It's not like the cops will help.

[Kowani]

Shopify takes down the Trump organization and Trump campaign stores

[Vassenor]

that's what they said about samuel jackson and the sons of liberty

Do you mean Samuel Adams?

The first amendment protects you from the government interfering in your speech, it does not protect your from others reacting to your speech. Now I'll agree that it is improper for businesses to fire their employees for peacefully protesting, but saying they shouldn't fire people who break the law is taking it a bit far.

And the company statement was that had he just been photographed outside at the demonstration he'd still have his job.