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by Danternoust » Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:33 pm
by Gallia- » Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:51 pm
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Gallia- wrote:Possibly true but Great Nortend seems like the type who thinks square dances are the devil and finds oppressively boring singing of the Psalms to be a good Saturday evening.
So I guess the average zealous Protestant idk.
And I praise Jove daily for never letting the desert religions of Abrahamism write Ostmarkian history.
by Great Nortend » Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:14 pm
Crookfur wrote:Relaxed and entertaining would in my experience be gospel hall/evangelical/ salvation army "happy clappy" service that are primarily a sing along rather than the more dour Presbyterian hymn/preaching sandwich.
Gallia- wrote:Possibly true but Great Nortend seems like the type who thinks square dances are the devil and finds oppressively boring singing of the Psalms to be a good Saturday evening.
So I guess the average zealous Protestant idk.
Danternoust wrote:Religion is more likely to be a threat to state power structures than not in the modern age, otherwise they would be endorsed much more heavily than otherwise.
In fact the KKK bombed churches. Churches have always been a center of organizing activity, with tolerance for a wide variety of topics to be discussed afterward, unlike other settings.
Triplebaconation wrote:Crookfur wrote:Relaxed and entertaining would in my experience be gospel hall/evangelical/ salvation army "happy clappy" service that are primarily a sing along rather than the more dour Presbyterian hymn/preaching sandwich.
Entertaining isn't the correct word. However, state-sponsored churches often offer little to the individual worshipper since they're mainly concerned with legitimizing power structures.
Mainline Christianity descended from state churches has lost out to Evangelism because Evangelical churches emphasize a personal spiritual experience over ritual.
by Gallia- » Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:30 pm
Great Nortend wrote:Apparently there was liturgical dance in the mediaeval period, but in GN, the only “dancing” would be in the form of processions and bowing and the like. However, I like the idea of square dances. Just not in churches. There is a place for everything good.
Great Nortend wrote:How do people have a spiritual “relationship” with God acting as if he is their next-door neighbour, colleague or schoolmate?
by Triplebaconation » Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:47 pm
by Great Nortend » Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:48 pm
by Gallia- » Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:49 pm
by Great Nortend » Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:58 pm
by Gallia- » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:10 pm
by Triplebaconation » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:30 pm
Gallia- wrote:Dumbla just has a variety of local cults and shrines ultimately descended from its pagan/heathen past since its Christianization was a bit of a wet noodle.
by Great Nortend » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:34 pm
by Gallia- » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:39 pm
Triplebaconation wrote:Gallia- wrote:Dumbla just has a variety of local cults and shrines ultimately descended from its pagan/heathen past since its Christianization was a bit of a wet noodle.
Yes, mine is very similar except of course being a total AU there's no trace of Christianity.
There's an established pantheonic religion that nobody really believes in but is very important to society. Priests observe rituals for the sake of the community, sacralize rites of passage, etc, etc. It doesn't really have any inherent ethical teachings but priests are trained in moral philosophy so you might go to one for advice. The Temple courts also "retain civil jurisdiction over blasphemy, desecration, and malison* cases (both now very rare), certain defamation claims involving accusations of godlessness, granting of marriage licenses, divorce, proving of wills, exhumation, and appointment and removal of notaries public" according to this document I found.
Very few people actually believe there are gods in medieval armor looking after them but they still put out little cakes or a libation to the spirits of the dead because it's been done for thousands of years. All very transactional - the gods care more about the form than belief. People inclined to religiosity might join mysteries whose lore may diverge wildly from the official mythos, but a lot of these have been watered down over the centuries into something like the Shriners.
Also there's an old indigenous religion that's the source of rustic folklore like fairy trees. Reconstructed versions (often combined with foreign religions) are popular with granola types who go around doing stuff like this: (censored for benefit of Nort)
by Triplebaconation » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:54 pm
by Austrasien » Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:11 pm
Gallia- wrote:You clearly have never been to a Pentecostal church, which might be the strongest and most powerful form of Christianity since it is slowly rendering old fashioned Catholicism, Lutheranism, and Anglicanism extinct.
by Gallia- » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:41 pm
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:06 pm
by Great Nortend » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:24 pm
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:42 pm
Great Nortend wrote:I can't imagine judges being very likely to report corruption.
by Gallia- » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:48 pm
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:15 am
Gallia- wrote:Because they benefit from it, obviously.
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:16 am
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Gallia- wrote:Because they benefit from it, obviously.
Judges would be less likely to be corrupt than most of the other jobs mentioned. Judges in Sharifistan are well paid Islamic scholars who usually come from respected, old-money families. They’d have more to loose than to get from corruption in general and are raised on the idea that it’s unacceptable. This compares favourably to the attitudes towards “clean graft” and “loyalty” in Sharifistani cop culture, especially amongst the lower ranks and the street culture some army enlistees were raised in.
by Gallia- » Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:28 am
by Austrasien » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:41 am
In many species, including the Eurasian tree wasp, such unscrupulousness is held in check by a kind of policing behaviour. Wasps caught engaging in illicit reproduction are attacked. In tree wasps, rather intriguingly, the attack behaviour is performed exclusively by wasps who are themselves cheats. They are bigger and tougher than average, which comes in handy both in their police work and their criminal activities. In other species, however, the enforcers do not seem guilty of the same hypocrisy. Ordinary honeybee workers detect and devour more than 99 per cent of the eggs laid by their sisters. Among several species of ants, common workers will attack individuals whose ovaries indicate they might be reproducing, biting their limbs to the point where half of them die.
In his final book, Power and Prosperity (2000), Olson distinguished between the economic effects of different types of government, in particular, tyranny, anarchy, and democracy. Olson argued that under anarchy, a "roving bandit" only has the incentive to steal and destroy, whilst a "stationary bandit"—a tyrant—has an incentive to encourage some degree of economic success as he expects to remain in power long enough to benefit from that success. A stationary bandit thereby begins to take on the governmental function of protecting citizens and their property against roving bandits. In the move from roving to stationary bandits, Olson sees the seeds of civilization, paving the way, eventually for democracy, which by giving power to those who align with the wishes of the population, improves incentives for good government.[5] Olson's work on the roving vs. stationary bandits is influential in analysis of the political and economic order structured in warlord states and societies.
by Gallia- » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:44 am
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