PR for Beginners(A Dutch Election Thread)

[Jershaland]

D66 definitely aligns with my views the most. Them and PvdA. I don't know much about Dutch politics but those are the parties I seem to align with.

[Thepeopl]

I feel like Dutch politics has become cable TV, 89 channels, none of them I want to choose. Maybe it's time to start my own party?

[Shrillland]

I feel like Dutch politics has become cable TV, 89 channels, none of them I want to choose. Maybe it's time to start my own party?

Alas, you're in the Netherlands, not Israel. Starting your own party's a little more difficult.

[The Alma Mater]

I feel like Dutch politics has become cable TV, 89 channels, none of them I want to choose. Maybe it's time to start my own party?

Alas, you're in the Netherlands, not Israel. Starting your own party's a little more difficult.

Actually, it is incredibly easy. You need to register your new party, pay a deposit of about 12.000 euros (which you get back if your party gets enough votes) and then get signatures on a support statement from voters out of each district where you wish to appear on the ballot. To appear on the ballot in every district you will need a total of 580 of such signatures.

And then all you need to do is make certain you get enough votes to get your deposit back. Or even a seat

Well, ok. It is harder than it sounds. For example, the required signatures are public - which was a big problem for the "pedophile party" when they wanted to participate in the elections; since almost nobody was willing to publicly announce they support having sex with kids.

[Juristonia]

Was she ? She caused a fallout in the party and was herself not really knowledgeable about IT matters. While certainly intelligent, nice to look at and quite able to debate she was not the ideal posterchild for a party whose main focus point is cybersecurity and privacy.

All very true, but she was also one of the big things that put the party on the map. Before she came along, barely anyone knew about the party and even fewer took them seriously.
She made them visible and, to a lot more people than before, viable.

It's not my party, but I would like to see them get a seat or two so there's at least a party in there who actually knows something about IT and privacy, because politics tends to be woefully behind when it comes to that stuff.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

I feel like Dutch politics has become cable TV, 89 channels, none of them I want to choose. Maybe it's time to start my own party?

Have you heard of Bij1? Formerly Artikel1? They're probably the largest actually left-wing party (sad socialist party noises) who are anti-capitalist and progressive, which I guess might fit you? Got like 0.24% of the vote so not too off from gaining a seat.

[VW53Aland]

Oh, Bij1 is the former Art1kel?
I did not know that yet. Good to know. Thanks.

(Yes, I called them "artéénkel" as that was their logo. In the same way I called that group that once sang in the Eurovision song contest "Ogdriene" instead of ogene.)

[The Blaatschapen]

https://www.ad.nl/dossier-instagram/ass ... ~af33d8e7/

Social democrats continue to implode.

For those who do not speak Dutch (shame), the party leader resigned as leader.

[Shrillland]

https://www.ad.nl/dossier-instagram/asscher-stapt-op-pvda-moet-op-zoek-naar-nieuwe-lijsttrekker~af33d8e7/

Social democrats continue to implode.

For those who do not speak Dutch (shame), the party leader resigned as leader.

Well, I put it through Translate, and, admittedly, I knew naught about the Benefits Affair(for everyone else, basically what happened was that roughly 26,000 families were wrongly suspected of Childcare Allowance fraud by the Social Affairs and Employment Ministry and the Belastingdienst-basically the Dutch Revenue service-and Asscher was the Social Affairs and Employment Minister at the time it was all going down for six years) though it would explain why PvdA's dropped in the polls...you think Ploumen will be lijstrekker after this?

[The Blaatschapen]

https://www.ad.nl/dossier-instagram/asscher-stapt-op-pvda-moet-op-zoek-naar-nieuwe-lijsttrekker~af33d8e7/

Social democrats continue to implode.

For those who do not speak Dutch (shame), the party leader resigned as leader.

Well, I put it through Translate, and, admittedly, I knew naught about the Benefits Affair, though it would explain why PvdA's dropped in the polls...you think Ploumen will be lijstrekker after this?

She'll take it up, then after the elections they'll call for a new leader for a longer time period.

[Shrillland]

Well, I put it through Translate, and, admittedly, I knew naught about the Benefits Affair, though it would explain why PvdA's dropped in the polls...you think Ploumen will be lijstrekker after this?

She'll take it up, then after the elections they'll call for a new leader for a longer time period.

Well, when it becomes official, I'll update the OP accordingly. It'll make forming a government that much easier though, without him I think PvdA may stand a better chance of getting in.

Also, upon closer reading, there's something that says Rutte's using him as a scapegoat too, since a lot of the mess continued after he left the Cabinet.

[The Alma Mater]

https://www.ad.nl/dossier-instagram/asscher-stapt-op-pvda-moet-op-zoek-naar-nieuwe-lijsttrekker~af33d8e7/

Social democrats continue to implode.

For those who do not speak Dutch (shame), the party leader resigned as leader.

Well, I put it through Translate, and, admittedly, I knew naught about the Benefits Affair(for everyone else, basically what happened was that roughly 26,000 families were wrongly suspected of Childcare Allowance fraud by the Social Affairs and Employment Ministry and the Belastingdienst-basically the Dutch Revenue service-and Asscher was the Social Affairs and Employment Minister at the time it was all going down for six years) though it would explain why PvdA's dropped in the polls...you think Ploumen will be lijstrekker after this?

There is a pretty high chance the Dutch government will fall today due to said Benefits affair... so it is possible we will see soon.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, I put it through Translate, and, admittedly, I knew naught about the Benefits Affair(for everyone else, basically what happened was that roughly 26,000 families were wrongly suspected of Childcare Allowance fraud by the Social Affairs and Employment Ministry and the Belastingdienst-basically the Dutch Revenue service-and Asscher was the Social Affairs and Employment Minister at the time it was all going down for six years) though it would explain why PvdA's dropped in the polls...you think Ploumen will be lijstrekker after this?

There is a pretty high chance the Dutch government will fall today due to said Benefits affair... so it is possible we will see soon.

And it fell. The Netherlands is an anarchy. Be afraid!

[The Huskar Social Union]

So is it likely that the VVD will remain the top party?

[Shrillland]

So is it likely that the VVD will remain the top party?

I'm not sure at this point. It'll be a few weeks before we get the full fallout for the parties over the Benefits Affair.

ALso, involving the scandal, the government has confirmed that no one has yet received the €30,000 in compensation they've been promised as of yet: https://www.ad.nl/dossier-val-kabinet/nog-geen-enkele-gedupeerde-van-toeslagenaffaire-heeft-30-000-euro-compensatie-ontvangen~aa75d7d5/

[The Huskar Social Union]

So is it likely that the VVD will remain the top party?

I'm not sure at this point. It'll be a few weeks before we get the full fallout for the parties over the Benefits Affair.

ALso, involving the scandal, the government has confirmed that no one has yet received the €30,000 in compensation they've been promised as of yet: https://www.ad.nl/dossier-val-kabinet/nog-geen-enkele-gedupeerde-van-toeslagenaffaire-heeft-30-000-euro-compensatie-ontvangen~aa75d7d5/

Interesting, thank you

[The Alma Mater]

An English article on the resignation of the government for those who do not speak Dutch/dislike google translate:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55674146

[The Huskar Social Union]

An English article on the resignation of the government for those who do not speak Dutch/dislike google translate:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55674146

Just started reading it but oh boy thats some mess like.

[Shrillland]

An English article on the resignation of the government for those who do not speak Dutch/dislike google translate:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55674146

Just started reading it but oh boy thats some mess like.

Yeah, it is. I only just learned about it yesterday when Asscher resigned.

[Shrillland]

Rutte's already issued a 26-page document to the Tweede Kamer discussing how allowances should be reformed to avoid another Benefits Affair: https://nos.nl/collectie/13855/artikel/2364532-rutte-toeslagensysteem-op-de-schop-beleidsstukken-openbaar-maken

[The Alma Mater]

An English article on the resignation of the government for those who do not speak Dutch/dislike google translate:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55674146

Just started reading it but oh boy thats some mess like.

Yes. Though I personally still do not see the issue with giving extra scrutiny to people with dual nationality. Heck, in same cases that is even required - like with a dual US/Dutch nationality due to American taxlaws.
But all the "the comma is in the wrong place, pay back 50k now, no chance of appeal" stuff is.. insane.

[Molither]

Not Dutch but I'd go for Geert Wilders

[The Alma Mater]

I quite like the environmentalism of the CU as well. But I simply cannot take them seriously anymore after they seriously claimed metal music was to blame for terrorist attacks like those of Breivik.

ok i would vote for them just because reading that made me laugh lol

I can imagine

The odd thing of the CU (to me at least) that while I fundamentally disagree with their basic beliefs and reasoning, their policies often do align quite well with my wishes. Different reasoning, same outcome. The environmentalism is a prime example - they believe we are the caretakers of earth, "renting" it so to speak from God - and therefor have to treat it well instead of exploiting it. Which is also what I want. Their policy on abortion is another - they oppose it and consider it murder - but their policy is to plead for easy and free access to contraceptives so that unwanted pregnancies can be prevented as much as possible. Which is indeed also something I can get behind.

It just feels... wrong.. to consider voting for them.

[Shrillland]

I'm adding Ja21 to the OP(not to the poll) now that this has happened: https://nos.nl/artikel/2364636-brabantse-fractie-forum-voor-democratie-valt-uiteen.html

The Provincial FvD in Brabant has disbanded with most of its members joining Ja21.

In other news, Hoekstra was re-elected CDA lijstrekker with 95% of the vote: https://nos.nl/artikel/2364620-hoekstra-zoals-verwacht-gekozen-tot-cda-lijsttrekker.html

[Shrillland]

It's official, Ploumen will be PvdA Lijstrekker when the party meets on Saturday to formalise the revised party list: https://nos.nl/artikel/2364910-pvda-draagt-lilianne-ploumen-voor-als-lijsttrekker.html

She actually was originally a GL member but thought Labour was more pragmatic and down to earth: https://nos.nl/artikel/2364948-wie-is-beoogd-pvda-lijsttrekker-lilianne-ploumen.html