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Is polyandry bad?

Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:43 pm

Polyandry here means women having multiple sexual partners simultaneously. Likewise,polyandrous marriage refers to a woman being married to multiple (two or more) men simultaneously.
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Because of my religion I believe polyandry is wrong. I do not think it should be illegal, however except in cases of public indecency or indeed when people are publicly open about being in such a relationship such as through polyandrous marriage

See also
Is polygyny bad?: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=496288
Existence of God/gods: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=496295
Is chivalry good: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=497082
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:43 pm

How do I make a poll?
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Postby Kernen » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:47 pm

Nah. With the divorce of childbearing from sexual relationships, it's entirely possible to best satisfy all your different needs at different times of your life with different people rather than trying to force one person into all, those roles.

People change. Their needs change. Partners don't always change with them.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:48 pm

Kernen wrote:Nah. With the divorce of childbearing from sexual relationships, it's entirely possible to best satisfy all your different needs at different times of your life with different people rather than trying to force one person into all, those roles.

People change. Their needs change. Partners don't always change with them.

Then they can break up with their partner(s) except for their favourite.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:48 pm

Kernen wrote:Nah. With the divorce of childbearing from sexual relationships, it's entirely possible to best satisfy all your different needs at different times of your life with different people rather than trying to force one person into all, those roles.

People change. Their needs change. Partners don't always change with them.

Good point about the "divorce of childbearing from sexual relationships" though.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:50 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Kernen wrote:Nah. With the divorce of childbearing from sexual relationships, it's entirely possible to best satisfy all your different needs at different times of your life with different people rather than trying to force one person into all, those roles.

People change. Their needs change. Partners don't always change with them.

Then they can break up with their partners

Why? Assuming everybody is OK with it, because choice matters, if my partner meets, say, my companionship needs and not my sexual needs, and vice versa, what's harmful about having partners that meet our sexual needs at the same time? This, fortunately, transcends the question of gender.
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Postby The Northern Chinese Republic » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:54 pm

In some cultures, there's a tradition of brothers marrying the same woman to simplify inheritance. It actually does solve some problems if you have a pre-capitalist economy where land is the primary form of wealth.

It's obviously not for everyone, though.

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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:55 pm

Kernen wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Then they can break up with their partners

Why? Assuming everybody is OK with it, because choice matters, if my partner meets, say, my companionship needs and not my sexual needs, and vice versa, what's harmful about having partners that meet our sexual needs at the same time? This, fortunately, transcends the question of gender.

Because sexual jealousy is a natural emotion which can cause rivalry amongst males, dividing the state. I feel like this is the reason why most polyandrous societies either suffer from civil war (some tribes in tribal Nepal practice polyandry), inter-tribal rivalry (the Comanche) or are occupied by the enemy (Tibet). Sparta is the exception but literally everything in Sparta was about war.
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Postby Esternial » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:55 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:How do I make a poll?

Edit your original post and look at the bottom for Options (you'll see stuff like "Disable smilies" etc.). You should see a "Poll Creation" tab there.

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Postby Atheris » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:00 pm

I don't see why people care what does or doesn't go on in other people's bedrooms.
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:02 pm

Yes, it's bad and certainly worth the condemnation. Society is like cooking a stew, if a crucial step is bungled it mucks the whole thing up. Trying to separate love from monogamy as it should exist between a husband and wife only leads to confusion.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:03 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Kernen wrote:Why? Assuming everybody is OK with it, because choice matters, if my partner meets, say, my companionship needs and not my sexual needs, and vice versa, what's harmful about having partners that meet our sexual needs at the same time? This, fortunately, transcends the question of gender.

Because sexual jealousy is a natural emotion which can cause rivalry amongst males, dividing the state. I feel like this is the reason why most polyandrous societies either suffer from civil war (some tribes in tribal Nepal practice polyandry), inter-tribal rivalry (the Comanche) or are occupied by the enemy (Tibet). Sparta is the exception but literally everything in Sparta was about war.

Jealousy, like any emotion, can be managed. Humans are generally not given to throwing state destabilizing tantrums when they don't get a job they apply for, or get rear ended. We don't kill people who rebuff our romantic advances.

The unifying failure here is one of self control, not of polygamy.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:04 pm

Atheris wrote:I don't see why people care what does or doesn't go on in other people's bedrooms.

A misguided belief that they know what is best for you regardless of actual knowledge. Your choice means little to them, and yet they get very upset if you return the favor.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:05 pm

I wouldn't advocate polygamy in general, but I think polygynists are hypocritical and sexist for supporting polygyny but condemning polyandry. I don't see how they aren't equally bad.
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Postby Atheris » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:05 pm

Kernen wrote:
Atheris wrote:I don't see why people care what does or doesn't go on in other people's bedrooms.

A misguided belief that they know what is best for you regardless of actual knowledge.

...Oh, yeah. That.
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Postby Ottomeme » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:05 pm

According to the laws of God, yes it is illegal.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:06 pm

Ottomeme wrote:According to the laws of God, yes it is illegal.

Not a convincing pitch.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:06 pm

I don't consider polyandry to be inherently good or bad, it depends on the social context of how it sprung up and if there are good reasons that it had done so, such as places like Tibet.
Sundiata wrote:Yes, it's bad and certainly worth the condemnation. Society is like cooking a stew, if a crucial step is bungled it mucks the whole thing up. Trying to separate love from monogamy as it should exist between a husband and wife only leads to confusion.


If running a society was like cooking then it would be a whole lot easier to follow a premade recipe.
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:08 pm

Ottomeme wrote:According to the laws of God, yes it is illegal.

While you're not wrong about that, the state should also follow suit with respect to that moral trend.
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Postby The Northern Chinese Republic » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:09 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Kernen wrote:Why? Assuming everybody is OK with it, because choice matters, if my partner meets, say, my companionship needs and not my sexual needs, and vice versa, what's harmful about having partners that meet our sexual needs at the same time? This, fortunately, transcends the question of gender.

Because sexual jealousy is a natural emotion which can cause rivalry amongst males, dividing the state. I feel like this is the reason why most polyandrous societies either suffer from civil war (some tribes in tribal Nepal practice polyandry), inter-tribal rivalry (the Comanche) or are occupied by the enemy (Tibet). Sparta is the exception but literally everything in Sparta was about war.


Sparta's like the Nazi Germany of Ancient Greece. Made everyone miserable, got lots of stuff written about them because they were so nasty, didn't actually do that well in conflicts with less rigid societies.

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Postby Sundiata » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:09 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:If running a society was like cooking then it would be a whole lot easier to follow a premade recipe.

Yes, and in many respects, I would prefer that we did.
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Postby Nova Bromelia » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:09 pm

What happens between two, or three, or five, or seventyeight, consenting adults should be entirely their own case, who am I to call that "bad"? Same thing with polygamy (although in that case I would advocate for triplechecking the "consenting" part. Or, you know what, let's do that for polyandry as well, to get one nice and clear rule in place)
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:10 pm

Anything other than monogamy is immoral and anti-social.

States should not extend legal recognition to polygamous relationships, regardless of gender ratio, and society should reject such arrangements as acceptable ways of living.
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Postby Atheris » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:11 pm

Ottomeme wrote:According to the laws of God, yes it is illegal.

The Lambeth Conference was the law of man justified by the way the law of God was interpreted. Isn't polygamy defended in the Old Testament?
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:11 pm

Nova Bromelia wrote:What happens between two, or three, or five, or seventyeight, consenting adults should be entirely their own case, who am I to call that "bad"?

Well, most likely a Catholic.
Same thing with polygamy (although in that case I would advocate for triplechecking the "consenting" part. Or, you know what, let's do that for polyandry as well, to get one nice and clear rule in place)

Consent is not the sole determinant of whether or not an act is immoral.
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