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by Sarzonia » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:07 am
by Alasdair I Frosticus » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:15 am
by Squidroidia » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:21 am
by Banija » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:35 am
by Omerica » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:57 am
Squidroidia wrote:The problem I have with this vote is that the losing bid had their votes removed even though the winning bid was going to win because there were only 2 bids. I know it wasn't a majority, but it was clear that the winner was already known by the Round 1 results. I get why they didn't choose to eliminate the re-open bids vote or the abstaining votes (That could have led to even more deadlock) but eliminating the losing bid in a 2 bid vote changed nothing.
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by Krytenia » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:29 am
by Strike » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:44 am
Omerica wrote:The winning bid still needed to collect at least one second preference to win the vote, so it was effectively a forgone conclusion, but actually conducting the second count put the result beyond all doubt.
by Omerica » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:00 am
Strike wrote:Omerica wrote:The winning bid still needed to collect at least one second preference to win the vote, so it was effectively a forgone conclusion, but actually conducting the second count put the result beyond all doubt.
Actually this isn't true, if anything it cast more doubt on the situation.
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by Farfadillis » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:05 am
Strike wrote:Omerica wrote:The winning bid still needed to collect at least one second preference to win the vote, so it was effectively a forgone conclusion, but actually conducting the second count put the result beyond all doubt.
Actually this isn't true, if anything it cast more doubt on the situation.
Bid A had 17 Votes
Bid B had 16 Votes
Neither had the required 18 for a majority of the votes.
After removing Bid B from contention (That is, taking any vote that had voted for Bid B, making it null and void, then replacing that vote with the second choice on those ballots), Bid A gained only 12 votes. That means that only 12 of the 16 voters who supported Bid B were supportive of Bid A. While this vote was not tied, if it were, then it may have gone entirely to second preferences. What you dont see in the total is the number of votes for Bid A that had Bid B as a second preference. That number very well could have been 13 or higher.
by Legalese » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:29 am
by Savojarna » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:46 am
by Krytenia » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:47 pm
1.5 Elections
1.5.1 Presidential and Vice-Presidential Elections
Members of the WCC shall ballot for President and Vice President after the nominees have been determined. Each voter's ballot is a list of any number of nominees in order of preference for the office of President.
i) Initial count. The designated vote collector counts the first eligible preference on each ballot. If one nominee is named as the first preference on a majority of all ballots cast, they shall become President.
ii) Elimination and reallocation. Otherwise, the remaining nominee(s) with the fewest number of ballots are eliminated from consideration. Their ballots are reallocated to the nominee listed with the highest preference who is still under consideration.
iii) Recounting. After reallocation, the ballots are again counted. If a nominee receives a majority of the ballots after any recount, they shall become President.
iv) Additional recounts as needed. Otherwise, repeat the Step 2 and 3 process of elimination and reallocation until either one candidate receives a majority or there is only one candidate remaining, who then becomes President.
v) Vice-President. To determine the Vice President, start again with all ballots being cast for their first preferences. Treat the newly-elected President as eliminated, reallocate their ballots, and count. Then continue as above until a Vice-President is elected.
vi) Deadlock. If all remaining uneliminated nominees have the same number of votes at any stage, eliminate the nominee(s) with the smallest number of first preferences on all ballots and reallocate as above. Should all such nominees still be tied, use second-, third, and lower preferences in order until a difference is found to eliminate the lowest.
vii) One nominee. If there is only one nominee, no ballot is required. They become President without an election.
1.5.2 Electing WCC Tournament Hosts
Members of the WCC or EWCC, as applicable, shall vote for a tournament host after the valid bids have been determined. Each voter's ballot is a list of any number of nominees in order of preference to host the tournament, plus the option to re-open bids.
i) Initial count. The designated vote collector counts the first eligible preference on each ballot. If one bid is named as the first preference on a majority of all ballots cast, they shall be elected as hosts. If the option to re-open bids receives a majority, no bid shall be elected and the host bidding process shall be restarted.
ii) Second round. Otherwise, any votes for a bid that failed to finish first or second in the bidding are reallocated to the option listed, with the highest preference who is still under consideration. If a tie for first or second place occurs, all bids tying for this position are put forward to the second round. The option to re-open nominations will also be put forward, regardless of the number of votes this option receives. After reallocation, the ballots are again counted. If a bid receives a majority of the ballots after reallocation, they shall be elected as hosts. If the option to re-open bids receives a majority, no bid shall be elected and the host bidding process shall be restarted.
iii) Third round. Should the second round consist of three or more options, and no majority is reached at this point, a third round shall take place consisting of the two options receiving the most votes in the second round. In the event of a tie for first or second place at this stage which would otherwise mean more than two options going forward, ties are broken according to the deadlock rules outlined below. Votes for eliminated options are reallocated to the option with the highest preference which is still under consideration. After reallocation, the ballots are again counted. If a bid receives a majority of the ballots after reallocation, they shall be elected as hosts. If both options are tied, the tie is broken according to the deadlock rules outlined below.
iv) Deadlock. If at any point the vote reaches a deadlock that cannot be resolved by the means above or a tie would result in three or more options advancing to the third round, ties shall be broken by first preference, then second preference if required, and so on until either the tie is broken or all preferences are exhausted. If the deadlock still exists, then a second vote shall be called with only the non-eliminated options on the ballot (plus the option to re-open bids if it has been eliminated).
v) Single bid received. If there is only one bid, a straight first-past-the-post ballot between the bid and the option to re-open bids is held, with voters having a single ballot rather than a ranked choice vote.
by Sylestone » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:54 pm
by Kelssek » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:14 pm
ii) Second round. Otherwise, the bids placing first and second in first preference votes advance to the second round and all other bids are eliminated. If there is a tie for first or second place, all bids tied for that position advance to the second round, along with the option to re-open nominations. Ballots cast for eliminated bids are reallocated according to the next-highest valid preference indicated. If a bid receives a majority of votes after reallocation, it is declared the winner. If the option to re-open bids receives a majority, no bid shall be elected and the host bidding process shall be restarted.
iii) Third round. If no majority is reached at this point, a third round shall take place consisting of the two options receiving the most votes after the second round. In the event of a tie for first or second place at this stage which would otherwise mean more than two options going forward, ties are broken according to the deadlock rules outlined below. Votes for eliminated options are reallocated to the option with the highest preference which is still under consideration. After reallocation, the ballots are again counted. If a bid receives a majority of the ballots after reallocation, it is declared the winner. If both options are tied, the tie is broken according to the deadlock rules outlined below.
iv) Deadlock. If at any point the vote reaches a deadlock that cannot be resolved by the means above, or if a tie would result in three or more options advancing to the third round, ties shall be broken by first preferences, then second preferences if required, and so on until either the tie is broken or all preferences are exhausted. If the deadlock still exists, then a second vote shall be called with only the non-eliminated options on the ballot (plus the option to re-open bids if it has been eliminated).
v) Single bid received. If there is only one bid, it directly contests [the option to re-open bidding] with voters having a single ballot rather than a ranked choice vote. The option with more votes is the winner.
the Vice President shall do the honor;
by Legalese » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:28 pm
Kelssek wrote:EDIT: A couple of points on Legalese's proposal. First:the Vice President shall do the honor;
Please specify what exactly the vice president will do here.
Second, I don't see anything in the current constitution on designating the interim president, who is supposed to be the fail-safe. I'm not comfortable with this proposal because of the lack of clarity as to who this person might be. Not that I'm anticipating something nefarious, but simply that if we reach this stage, the one person who decides the hosts had better be someone with a measure of trust and legitimacy to do so.
World Cup Committee Constitution wrote:Constitution of the World Cup Committee
1.3 The Presidency
[blocktext]1.3.1 Appointment
i) Presidential terms shall last for three World Cups (eg 46-48, 49-51, 52-54, etc)
ii) Elections for the WCC President shall be held after every third World Cup, giving adequate preparation time for any hand-over to take place immediately upon completion (i.e. the World Cup and Cup of Harmony Finals) of the last Cup in the Presidential cycle.
ii) Any WCC user may nominate any one other user for the position and any user receiving more than two nominations will be considered a candidate.
iii) Any user can decline to receive nominations.
iv) If there is only one candidate for President, that candidate will become the President. Otherwise, the WCC will vote on which of the candidates should be the President immediately after the nomination process.
v) If the President is unable to fulfill his/her duties, then the interim President shall be the first available person of: the Vice-President, the candidates in the most recent presidential election (sorted by highest vote total), the members of the EWCC (sorted by earliest WC hosted), and the hosts of the Baptism of Fire tournament and Cup of Harmony (sorted by earliest tournament hosted). If two or more eligible successors are equal in any of these criteria, then they shall be sorted in alphabetical order.
by Legalese » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:36 pm
by Krytenia » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:37 am
Kelssek wrote:v) Single bid received. If there is only one bid, it directly contests [the option to re-open bidding] with voters having a single ballot rather than a ranked choice vote. The option with more votes is the winner.
I think this wording is a bit clearer, I was having trouble understanding what was going on so this is my interpretation of what was intended. I assume the square brackets is what "the option" means?
by South Covello » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:19 am
Krytenia wrote:Kelssek wrote:v) Single bid received. If there is only one bid, it directly contests [the option to re-open bidding] with voters having a single ballot rather than a ranked choice vote. The option with more votes is the winner.
I think this wording is a bit clearer, I was having trouble understanding what was going on so this is my interpretation of what was intended. I assume the square brackets is what "the option" means?
Good catch. I've amended point v) accordingly.
Just a note as well, my amendment would mean ROB can be eliminated after Round 2. My thinking is by this point if ROB lacks the voting power to advance, it's clear that the will of the electorate is not for bids to be re-opened.
by Banija » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:50 am
by Farfadillis » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:09 am
by Zwangzug » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:57 am
by Northwest Kalactin » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:42 am
by Blouman Empire » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:17 pm
by Blouman Empire » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:18 pm
Northwest Kalactin wrote:What if we use the EWCC vote as a tiebreaker, it would probably give us the best overall host, because the EWCC is full of folks experienced in WC hosting.
by South Covello » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:19 pm
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