[PASSED] Commend The Western Isles

[Dilber]

Will be recommending to my Delegate that an “Against” vote would be appropriate.

and yet they voted for.

I will say that trying to sick burn my SC advisor isn't productive long-term. I have the utmost faith and trust in BBDs opinions.

[Greater Cesnica]

As always, if anyone has any questions or concerns regarding the resolution, feel free to reach out to me. or reply in this thread

[Electrum]

I don't know what to feel about this resolution.

On the one hand, it is absolutely important that the Security Council recognises the efforts of roleplayers.

On the other hand, this resolution doesn't do a good job in justifying why TWI is commend-worthy. Most of the achievements listed relate to in-character negotiated treaties, which while important, shouldn't make up such a large proportion of the text. It just makes the achievements too much of a laundry list and too self-contained/internal to the region. Many of the references are lost on other nations.

For example, Commend Greater Dienstad, another regional roleplay commendation, does a better job in contextualising some of the in-character roleplays. It also references what the region did for NationStates as a whole such as organising a World Fair, or having cultural exchanges, etc.

[Free Las Pinas]

Yeah, I agree with the above. I definitely think TWI is commendable, as I mentioned somewhere else, but the in-character negotiated treaties take too much space, which I feel is hindering efforts at making them sound commendable. Still supporting anyway, but if TWI is willing to see it, maybe a replacement if this gets repealed/defeated?

[Sylh Alanor]

I also agree with the above-stated sentiments (including BBD). I'm entirely in support of the idea that we can -and should- recognise RP regions for how they approach the game. The issue with this resolution isn't anything against The Western Isles. In fact, I think they're entirely fine. But the resolution describes a region that is running properly. It doesn't detail anything extraordinary that they've done, which would warrant a commendation.

[Shanzie]

I think our constitution, our simple, direct elections and minimalist government all are commendable. I think the way in which we handle rp disputes is missed as well. But as I said on our message board and earlier in this thread, how much we need, want, or deserve a commendation is debatable. I and all of us appreciate the recognition this resolution brings us and by no means will turn it away, but we are an isolationist region. We don't engage in interegional affairs, even among our friends at XKI. In writing this resolution initially, I think the author should have reached our to our founder or our president.

I honestly believe we are the best modern time role playing region on NS, but a commendation is iffy, of course.

[Topid]

I dislike how they use all tags, even tags that contradict one another. They are an anti-Capitalist Capitalist region. They are national sovereigntist and int fed. They are a Security Council region and anti-Security Council. Monsters like this make tags (which were a cool addition to the game) useless. I don’t know why everyone is focusing on RP content and treating newcomers well. Let’s get right at the heart of it, they’re fucking with our tags. The monsters.

Seconds ago: Topid voted for the World Assembly Resolution "Commend The Western Isles".

EDIT: And while this was mostly a joke, and is something I can look past, I do genuinely think this is a small counter point to what the text says is being so helpful to new members. TWI tells people looking for regions it is both an invader and defender region, when to my knowledge it is neither. That isn’t very helpful, it’s kind of dishonest.

Ok I’ll get off my tag soap box now! It’s all a joke! I’m joking! *twitch* It’s not — I’m not — No not at all. Joking!

[Aruia]

I think our constitution, our simple, direct elections and minimalist government all are commendable. I think the way in which we handle rp disputes is missed as well. But as I said on our message board and earlier in this thread, how much we need, want, or deserve a commendation is debatable. I and all of us appreciate the recognition this resolution brings us and by no means will turn it away, but we are an isolationist region. We don't engage in interegional affairs, even among our friends at XKI. In writing this resolution initially, I think the author should have reached our to our founder or our president.

I honestly believe we are the best modern time role playing region on NS, but a commendation is iffy, of course.

With or without the shiny badge, we know the quality of the TWI. chances are gatekeepers will crunch in the extra hours to thwart the resolution, where above the surface the justification would be there is nothing commendable or poorly written resolution and below the surface the context is not falling in line with "standards" of WA or region-wide rp.

I dislike how they use all tags, even tags that contradict one another. They are an anti-Capitalist Capitalist region. They are national sovereigntist and int fed. They are a Security Council region and anti-Security Council. Monsters like this make tags (which were a cool addition to the game) useless. I don’t know why everyone is focusing on RP content and treating newcomers well. Let’s get right at the heart of it, they’re fucking with our tags. The monsters.

Seconds ago: Topid voted for the World Assembly Resolution "Commend The Western Isles".

[Topid]

I dislike how they use all tags, even tags that contradict one another. They are an anti-Capitalist Capitalist region. They are national sovereigntist and int fed. They are a Security Council region and anti-Security Council. Monsters like this make tags (which were a cool addition to the game) useless. I don’t know why everyone is focusing on RP content and treating newcomers well. Let’s get right at the heart of it, they’re fucking with our tags. The monsters.

Seconds ago: Topid voted for the World Assembly Resolution "Commend The Western Isles".

u wanna fight about tags bro

[Aruia]

u wanna fight about tags bro

i am not even sure what you mean by the tags, and then voting in favor of the resolution

[Modessia]

Like most other commenters have said, I feel very conflicted about this. On the one hand, commending roleplayers seems like a good idea. But on the other... what exactly is so special about this region?

[Electrum]

With or without the shiny badge, we know the quality of the TWI. chances are gatekeepers will crunch in the extra hours to thwart the resolution, where above the surface the justification would be there is nothing commendable or poorly written resolution and below the surface the context is not falling in line with "standards" of WA or region-wide rp.

Gatekeepers? Where?

I don't get how you can say that this is "below the surface" reason for voting against this proposal is the region not falling in line with WA/RP standards. TWI's RP activity seems quite high and sustained. As far as I know, TWI doesn't even participate in the WA. I made exactly the same concerns I did back in page one, two weeks ago. This resolution was made and put to a vote within fourteen days, which is just not enough time to rewrite a resolution with a fatal flaw from the very beginning. If Shanzie's remarks were acted upon, it would have pushed this resolution across the line more easily.

For the record, I did vote for.

[Greater Cesnica]

I think our constitution, our simple, direct elections and minimalist government all are commendable. I think the way in which we handle rp disputes is missed as well. But as I said on our message board and earlier in this thread, how much we need, want, or deserve a commendation is debatable. I and all of us appreciate the recognition this resolution brings us and by no means will turn it away, but we are an isolationist region. We don't engage in interegional affairs, even among our friends at XKI. In writing this resolution initially, I think the author should have reached our to our founder or our president.

I honestly believe we are the best modern time role playing region on NS, but a commendation is iffy, of course.

With or without the shiny badge, we know the quality of the TWI. chances are gatekeepers will crunch in the extra hours to thwart the resolution, where above the surface the justification would be there is nothing commendable or poorly written resolution and below the surface the context is not falling in line with "standards" of WA or region-wide rp.

I dislike how they use all tags, even tags that contradict one another. They are an anti-Capitalist Capitalist region. They are national sovereigntist and int fed. They are a Security Council region and anti-Security Council. Monsters like this make tags (which were a cool addition to the game) useless. I don’t know why everyone is focusing on RP content and treating newcomers well. Let’s get right at the heart of it, they’re fucking with our tags. The monsters.

Seconds ago: Topid voted for the World Assembly Resolution "Commend The Western Isles".

This concept of 'gatekeepers' is very flawed, just saying. The idea that the Delegates of feeders, sinkers, and founderless regions are somehow beyond reason is simply not true.

[Pallaith]

With or without the shiny badge, we know the quality of the TWI. chances are gatekeepers will crunch in the extra hours to thwart the resolution, where above the surface the justification would be there is nothing commendable or poorly written resolution and below the surface the context is not falling in line with "standards" of WA or region-wide rp.

So you guys are still pushing that WA elitist thing huh?

[Shanzie]

With or without the shiny badge, we know the quality of the TWI. chances are gatekeepers will crunch in the extra hours to thwart the resolution, where above the surface the justification would be there is nothing commendable or poorly written resolution and below the surface the context is not falling in line with "standards" of WA or region-wide rp.

So you guys are still pushing that WA elitist thing huh?

We are pretty anti-wa just based on our isolationism. I mean, if you think about it, the WA's existence is why we have to worry about what happens if our founder cte's and why we placed a "successor" role in our constitution. To isolationist regions, the WA and the endorsement system is more of a threat than a benefit.

[Nova Vandalia]

With or without the shiny badge, we know the quality of the TWI. chances are gatekeepers will crunch in the extra hours to thwart the resolution, where above the surface the justification would be there is nothing commendable or poorly written resolution and below the surface the context is not falling in line with "standards" of WA or region-wide rp.

So you guys are still pushing that WA elitist thing huh?

I mean to be far Pallaith you are part of the Region that has the strongest WA presence and can by yourselves make or break a vote, fairly easily, which means yeah for the most part any on wanting to pass a WA resolution has to play favorites to either y'all and the WALL or TEP for any chance of passage. I mean I'd implore anyone to figure out the last time a SC or GA resolution passed without either of those votes. I mean even regulars in the WA admit to 1)Gatekeeping in regards to their standards in the the WA and 2) the need to please one of those two. So I don't think the idea of WA Elite is some fantasy, it's more of a semantics issue>.>

But I also don't think that's what is at play in this particular vote, never heard of TWI until like this resolution and I wouldn't call myself a regionalist exactly and I feel a lot of people are the same. You can have a well written commend, but unless people "know" of or have heard of the region or nation up for it, we can't say the impact is all that far reaching, because I mean it didn't reach us after all.

I mean we don't even pretend at this point the WA is on a "trust but verify" relationship with the resolutions put forth. It's either a "trust blindly" or "Never trust anyone" at this point.

[Aruia]

So you guys are still pushing that WA elitist thing huh?

I mean to be far Pallaith you are part of the Region that has the strongest WA presence and can by yourselves make or break a vote, fairly easily, which means yeah for the most part any on wanting to pass a WA resolution has to play favorites to either y'all and the WALL or TEP for any chance of passage. I mean I'd implore anyone to figure out the last time a SC or GA resolution passed without either of those votes. I mean even regulars in the WA admit to 1)Gatekeeping in regards to their standards in the the WA and 2) the need to please one of those two. So I don't think the idea of WA Elite is some fantasy, it's more of a semantics issue>.>

But I also don't think that's what is at play in this particular vote, never heard of TWI until like this resolution and I wouldn't call myself a regionalist exactly and I feel a lot of people are the same. You can have a well written commend, but unless people "know" of or have heard of the region or nation up for it, we can't say the impact is all that far reaching, because I mean it didn't reach us after all.

I mean we don't even pretend at this point the WA is on a "trust but verify" relationship with the resolutions put forth. It's either a "trust blindly" or "Never trust anyone" at this point.

i don't really respond to not cause inflame to the whole subject but you pretty much summed it up.
besides that, the results in vote numbers is very split if you look at the voting pattern.
But ill say this the number of times WA members from some regions pointed fingers at TWI for lack of involvement in "protection and security" matters like liberating or NA wide matters is one of the points that when the name TWI brings sometimes sour faces. (and tagging which i don't know what it means).

[WayNeacTia]

I mean, if you think about it, the WA's existence is why we have to worry about what happens if our founder cte's and why we placed a "successor" role in our constitution. To isolationist regions, the WA and the endorsement system is more of a threat than a benefit.

Uh huh.... The only thing the WA can do is liberate your region, and that is so remotely unlikely, that it is almost inconceivable you tried to use it as a crutch.

[Shanzie]

I mean, if you think about it, the WA's existence is why we have to worry about what happens if our founder cte's and why we placed a "successor" role in our constitution. To isolationist regions, the WA and the endorsement system is more of a threat than a benefit.

Uh huh.... The only thing the WA can do is liberate your region, and that is so remotely unlikely, that it is almost inconceivable you tried to use it as a crutch.

? What? The endorsement system is part of the WA...

[Greater Cesnica]

Uh huh.... The only thing the WA can do is liberate your region, and that is so remotely unlikely, that it is almost inconceivable you tried to use it as a crutch.

? What? The endorsement system is part of the WA...

So what though?

[Shanzie]

? What? The endorsement system is part of the WA...

So what though?

So thats the way regions are controlled? Endorsements and delegates.

[Greater Cesnica]

So what though?

So thats the way regions are controlled? Endorsements and delegates.

Yeah, but you're lamenting the fact that if Vancouvia CTEs, then your region will suddenly come under immense peril. TWI is an RP region, it is much less likely to be threatened than, say, 10000 Islands, which has a founder.

[Egoistic Lazy People]

Hi everybody I'm new here in the WA, could you tell me what do in facts the Commends?
I'm not doing this post here only for this question, in fact I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of this act
I'm from the pacific btw, pratically what should I vote?

My support on a unknown region that maybe make angry my region

or my enmity to an unknown region that can make a crusade against my little community

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That's difficult 'cause I don't want to abstain and remain with a notification for a day

_{Sorry for the big twisted post i wanted to try how this forum works}

[Tinhampton]

Hi everybody I'm new here in the WA, could you tell me what do in facts the Commends?
I'm not doing this post here only for this question, in fact I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of this act
I'm from the pacific btw, pratically what should I vote?

My support on a unknown region that maybe make angry my region

or my enmity to an unknown region that can make a crusade against my little community

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That's difficult 'cause I don't want to abstain and remain with a notification for a day

_{Sorry for the big twisted post i wanted to try how this forum works}

The Western Isles does not have a military, does not raid other regions (or nations), will also not raid places because of how somebody with 6 million population votes, and in fact holds an embassy with The Pacific. The sole effect of Commending it would be to place a shiny badge on its region page with a link to Greater Cesnica's resolution about them.

[Aruia]

Hi everybody I'm new here in the WA, could you tell me what do in facts the Commends?
I'm not doing this post here only for this question, in fact I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of this act
I'm from the pacific btw, pratically what should I vote?

My support on a unknown region that maybe make angry my region

or my enmity to an unknown region that can make a crusade against my little community

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That's difficult 'cause I don't want to abstain and remain with a notification for a day

_{Sorry for the big twisted post i wanted to try how this forum works}

No one would hold you contempt for voting for/against or not voting at all.
Main interest of most regions if a nation is in the WA is to endorse delegate and security key nations in the region to protect it.
If a region is gonna hold you to fall in line with a voting matter and not to your own opinion or interest, or gonna quickly move you to a spotlight because of that that region does not worth your stay there.
it can be a lot easier to vote with your delegate that is why your delegates vote is shown to you.
Besides enmity towards your nation is nothing that gonna affect your nation in any form or way. (not that there's gonna be any enmity at all.)