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Who is your favourite anti-socialist author?

Poll ended at Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:23 am

Milton Friedman
9
15%
Ludwig von Mises
3
5%
Thomas Sowell
6
10%
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
10
16%
Ayn Rand
9
15%
Friedrich Hayek
0
No votes
Irving Kristol
1
2%
Karl Popper
6
10%
Boris Pasternak
6
10%
Other
12
19%
 
Total votes : 62

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Suriyanakhon
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:26 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:On the topic of anti socialism, the concept that class is more of a unifying factor than culture and country is completely ignorant of all of human history. Humans are naturally tribalistic, we can observe that with our primate cousins in the wild as well


Ah yes, our primate cousins the bonobos, where conflicts with outsiders are solved by having sex with them then cuddling.


That would be... an interesting solution to international diplomacy. Trump x Khamenei when?
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Postby Kowani » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:30 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
Ah yes, our primate cousins the bonobos, where conflicts with outsiders are solved by having sex with them then cuddling.


That would be... an interesting solution to international diplomacy. Trump x Khamenei when?

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:30 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:And they go after anyone who deviates, even those who don't have a love affair with capitalism.

The Marxist worldview is inherently flawed in that sense, because it encourages the destruction of cultural and national identity in favor of an artificial class identity. This cultural destruction has often been violent, throughout history, which should come as no surprise since Marxist theory specifically encourages such actions due to the belief class is more unifying than culture and nation


The Soviet Union ended up creating more ethno-states than fascist regimes did though.
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Postby Vetalia » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:31 pm

Nilokeras wrote:Ah yes, our primate cousins the bonobos, where conflicts with outsiders are solved by having sex with them then cuddling.


We knocked them for six when the coffee plantations and railways came to the colonies, old bean. I hope you have a better plan for resolving geopolitical problems.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:33 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:The Marxist worldview is inherently flawed in that sense, because it encourages the destruction of cultural and national identity in favor of an artificial class identity. This cultural destruction has often been violent, throughout history, which should come as no surprise since Marxist theory specifically encourages such actions due to the belief class is more unifying than culture and nation


The Soviet Union ended up creating more ethno-states than fascist regime did though.


As do most projects that try to create artificial national identities to the exclusion of natural ones.

Like Yugoslavia, for example.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:34 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:The Marxist worldview is inherently flawed in that sense, because it encourages the destruction of cultural and national identity in favor of an artificial class identity. This cultural destruction has often been violent, throughout history, which should come as no surprise since Marxist theory specifically encourages such actions due to the belief class is more unifying than culture and nation


The Soviet Union ended up creating more ethno-states than fascist regime did though.

And many of these nations are completely artificial, there has never been a historical "Belaurusian" or "Tajik" identity

Also, I don’t place much value on ethnostates, as I’m a cultural nationalist, not an ethnic nationalist
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Postby United Chinese Communes » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:39 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
The Soviet Union ended up creating more ethno-states than fascist regime did though.

And many of these nations are completely artificial, there has never been a historical "Belaurusian" or "Tajik" identity

Also, I don’t place much value on ethnostates, as I’m a cultural nationalist, not an ethnic nationalist

Ah, then I presume you'll be able to provide a coherent and casually consistent definition of what constitutes a culture, and what makes some nations 'natural' but not others.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:43 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
The Soviet Union ended up creating more ethno-states than fascist regime did though.


As do most projects that try to create artificial national identities to the exclusion of natural ones.

Like Yugoslavia, for example.


All national identities are artificial and the product of state-building rather than nature.
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Postby Nilokeras » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:45 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:Ah yes, our primate cousins the bonobos, where conflicts with outsiders are solved by having sex with them then cuddling.


We knocked them for six when the coffee plantations and railways came to the colonies, old bean. I hope you have a better plan for resolving geopolitical problems.


If you can't solve your geopolitical crises through sex then you're simply not trying hard enough. We should retool our schools of international affairs and political sciences to admit only our sexiest, most seductive people so as to train up a diplomatic corps that will be irresistible instruments of sexual prowess, used in the pursuit of universal peace and commerce.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:34 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:And they go after anyone who deviates, even those who don't have a love affair with capitalism.

The Marxist worldview is inherently flawed in that sense, because it encourages the destruction of cultural and national identity in favor of an artificial class identity. This cultural destruction has often been violent, throughout history, which should come as no surprise since Marxist theory specifically encourages such actions due to the belief class is more unifying than culture and nation
what's so great about culture tho
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:36 pm

Kubra wrote: what's so great about culture tho


It's pretty important for identity.

To put it lightly.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:38 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kubra wrote: what's so great about culture tho


It's pretty important for identity.

To put it lightly.
You europeans and your cultural identity, it is all so strange.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:50 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:Ah yes, our primate cousins the bonobos, where conflicts with outsiders are solved by having sex with them then cuddling.


We knocked them for six when the coffee plantations and railways came to the colonies, old bean. I hope you have a better plan for resolving geopolitical problems.

Put some MDMA in the water supply and I bet the bonobo plan would actually work pretty well
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:53 pm

Kubra wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
It's pretty important for identity.

To put it lightly.
You europeans and your cultural identity, it is all so strange.


I mean, I'm American.

Also cultural identity is important to literally every culture. Not just Europeans.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:18 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Kubra wrote: You europeans and your cultural identity, it is all so strange.


I mean, I'm American.

Also cultural identity is important to literally every culture. Not just Europeans.
Oh, that's unexpected, but different strokes for different folks I suppose.
Anyways, is it? I don't quite understand, could you tell me how?
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Postby Crysuko » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:33 am

Senkaku wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
We knocked them for six when the coffee plantations and railways came to the colonies, old bean. I hope you have a better plan for resolving geopolitical problems.

Put some MDMA in the water supply and I bet the bonobo plan would actually work pretty well

If you’ve ever had MDMA, you’ll know why this is a bad idea. It has a...deleterious effect on ones digestion. Even taking a hair too much and you’ll be glued to the bowl all night. Fair warning. It’s also a vasoconstrictor so you get creepy pinprick pupils and an inability to conduct bonobo diplomacy.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:39 am

Crysuko wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Put some MDMA in the water supply and I bet the bonobo plan would actually work pretty well

If you’ve ever had MDMA, you’ll know why this is a bad idea. It has a...deleterious effect on ones digestion. Even taking a hair too much and you’ll be glued to the bowl all night. Fair warning. It’s also a vasoconstrictor so you get creepy pinprick pupils and an inability to conduct bonobo diplomacy.


What he said.

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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:19 am

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:42 am

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Crysuko wrote:This thread has been seized. #Occupy

Cringe

twas a joke, fam.
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This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:51 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:And they go after anyone who deviates, even those who don't have a love affair with capitalism.

The Marxist worldview is inherently flawed in that sense, because it encourages the destruction of cultural and national identity in favor of an artificial class identity. This cultural destruction has often been violent, throughout history, which should come as no surprise since Marxist theory specifically encourages such actions due to the belief class is more unifying than culture and nation

I wouldn't go as far as to say that class identity is artificial but I get what you mean.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:52 am

Salus Maior wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Obvious humor aside, yes, it is. I would say that's a vice but some think it's a virtue.


Well, it's pretty practical when you want to avoid responsibility for when one of your guys does something unjustifiable or stupid.

True. They also love to get pedantic to avoid responsibility as well.
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Postby Chavante » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:50 am

So, anti-socialists of NationStates, here are a few questions:
Does socialism still present a threat to the world? To your country?

They`re minorities in Brazil.

Should liberals and conservatives do more to square their differences and rally against socialist tides, wherever they may spring up?

Socialism - Comunism is finishing in the World.

At what point is armed resistance against socialism called for?

It`s necessary act in education.

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Postby Loben III » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:54 am

Crysuko wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Cringe

twas a joke, fam.


Kinda like occupy irl, except less tragic.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:16 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:The Marxist worldview is inherently flawed in that sense, because it encourages the destruction of cultural and national identity in favor of an artificial class identity. This cultural destruction has often been violent, throughout history, which should come as no surprise since Marxist theory specifically encourages such actions due to the belief class is more unifying than culture and nation

I wouldn't go as far as to say that class identity is artificial but I get what you mean.

Class exists, but the Marxist narrative holds class to be the primary instigator of all conflict. In contrast, fascist and falangist theory holds culture and nation to be the primary instigators, and encourage class collaboration under a corporatist model. Both are opposed to unchained capitalism
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Postby Cordel One » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:28 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I wouldn't go as far as to say that class identity is artificial but I get what you mean.

Class exists, but the Marxist narrative holds class to be the primary instigator of all conflict. In contrast, fascist and fualangist theory holds culture and nation to be the primary instigators, and encourage class collaboration under a corporatist model. Both are opposed to unchained capitalism

The main point of Marxism isn't anti-capitalist so much as it is anti-hierarchial and anti-oppressive. No matter how much of our language fascists steal they will never be anything like us.

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