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by San Lumen » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:02 am
by Cordel One » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:04 pm
San Lumen wrote:It’s not useless at all. The most recent election should be proof of that. Every vote matters in every election. next year is municipal and county elections which affect your day to day greatly. Plus two states have statewide elections and legislative elections.
by Marsane » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:25 pm
by San Lumen » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:43 pm
Cordel One wrote:San Lumen wrote:It’s not useless at all. The most recent election should be proof of that. Every vote matters in every election. next year is municipal and county elections which affect your day to day greatly. Plus two states have statewide elections and legislative elections.
It's absolutely useless. The bombs won't stop and the United States will continue to terrorize its people and the rest of the world no matter who you vote for, one party will just pretend to care and make symbolic gestures while the other will not.
by Adamede » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:16 pm
by San Lumen » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:19 pm
Adamede wrote:No. I get that people don’t like the e electoral college or whenever a president they don’t like gets elected, but the US isn’t just the fucking presidency.
Congress for example is directly elected by the people, and they’re the ones who actually make laws, and serve as a major check on the president.
And most state and local governments are directly elected as well, and arguably have far greater impacts on the average American than the feds do in day to day life.
It’s not perfect, but it’s a long ways from voting being meaningless.
by Arlenton » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:48 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:The 2020 US election has so far failed to materialise the changes that were expected. Therefore, I wanted to ask: is voting useless in the US for change and progressivism? Will people finally realise the futility of electoralism there, and begin to use methods of direct action such as general strike and disruption? Or do you still believe that voting isn't useless in their system?
I've argued that voting in the US has been useless for some time due to the broken and outdated electoral system, although I didn't post this yesterday to avoid accusations that I'm a Russian spy/Chinese saboteur/Kim Yo-Jung. I think the only way forward would be direct action such as large scale nonviolent protests and strikes. But that is my opinion, and I want to ask you in the words of comrade Lenin, "what is to be done?"
by Kowani » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:15 pm
by Cordel One » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:20 pm
San Lumen wrote:Cordel One wrote:It's absolutely useless. The bombs won't stop and the United States will continue to terrorize its people and the rest of the world no matter who you vote for, one party will just pretend to care and make symbolic gestures while the other will not.
Terrorize? What are you talking about? If you think you can do better why don’t you run? There is something called a primary.
by Western Fardelshufflestein » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:23 pm
San Lumen wrote:Adamede wrote:No. I get that people don’t like the e electoral college or whenever a president they don’t like gets elected, but the US isn’t just the fucking presidency.
Congress for example is directly elected by the people, and they’re the ones who actually make laws, and serve as a major check on the president.
And most state and local governments are directly elected as well, and arguably have far greater impacts on the average American than the feds do in day to day life.
It’s not perfect, but it’s a long ways from voting being meaningless.
People seem to think president is all that matters. Next year is local elections and those have a tremendous impact.
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by San Lumen » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:28 pm
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:San Lumen wrote:People seem to think president is all that matters. Next year is local elections and those have a tremendous impact.
And the Senatorial elections have, of course, all come down to one state because nothing can be straightforward in 2020. And they moved the race to January--yay!
Governor elections are also important, especially in swing states.
by Northwest Slobovia » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:09 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:The 2020 US election has so far failed to materialise the changes that were expected. Therefore, I wanted to ask: is voting useless in the US for change and progressivism?
San Lumen wrote:Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:And the Senatorial elections have, of course, all come down to one state because nothing can be straightforward in 2020. And they moved the race to January--yay!
The runoff is in January because it’s the law. No one get a majority in the November election therefore a runoff election is required two months later.
by Western Fardelshufflestein » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:12 pm
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Sanghyeok wrote:The 2020 US election has so far failed to materialise the changes that were expected. Therefore, I wanted to ask: is voting useless in the US for change and progressivism?
Translation: I didn't get what I wanted, so the system is broken. Waaaaah!
Sorry, that's not how it works. The presidential system has a broken part: the all or nothing nature of the electoral college. Change that to a mandatory proportional EC, and the problems are fixed. Oh, but wait... Biden won, which is a step in the right direction for change and progressivism. Huh, guess it is working.
And Gerrymandering is a problem for the House and local legislatures, but that's a state by state issue. If you're gonna protest, protest locally; it's worked in some states.
But neither of those affects the Senate or the governors. Any "failings" there seem to be democracy in action.San Lumen wrote:
The runoff is in January because it’s the law. No one get a majority in the November election therefore a runoff election is required two months later.
Ah, yes, America, where people complain the system is broken without having the slightest understanding of how the system works.
The Western Fardelshufflestein Sentinel | 27 November 2022 bUt wHy iS tHE rUm gOnE!?
by Cordel One » Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:47 pm
by Sungoldy-China » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:11 pm
by Sundiata » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:51 pm
by Sundiata » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:53 pm
Sungoldy-China wrote:Voting is useless to show that most of the forces in society are still profiting from the current order,
Without Hoover and the Great Depression, where would Roosevelt come from?
by Kowani » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:27 pm
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