[PASSED] Commend The Western Isles

[Comfed]

None of this makes much of an impression. In what ways has TWI fostered a vibrant, thriving community? How do they show their steadfast commitment to the principles of democracy, equality, and liberty? I'm not really sure what the Impressed line is supposed to tell me, but as I far as I can tell it's filler like the other two. Either cut these, expand upon them, or integrate them into other clauses. As is they aren't adding anything.


These are an interesting bunch of intraregional groups, but nothing about them makes me think TWI is commendable. This roleplay is all well and good, but you're gonna need to give some justification for it being deserving of commendation.


I've never heard of the Western Isles News, so I'm going to assume it's intraregional as well. It's up for debate how commendable NS journalism is (I'd say it certainly can be in some cases), but I'm fairly firmly of the belief that for it to be commendable, it needs to have some impact. And, well, it's hard to see how a purely intraregional news organization can have much of an impact, though it does seem as though might TWI have a lot more internal politics than most regions. If this is so, then make it clear, and cite examples of its impact. Otherwise, this doesn't seem commendable.


The same as above, to a fair degree. Is the Citizens of The Isles an RP thing or just fiction writing? Either way, nothing here makes me think it's commendable.

Overall, TWI sounds like a nice and interesting region, but I'm not at all convinced its commendable. Also, I have no idea why this last call, it's been up less than a week. There's no reason to rush so much.

I'm trying to set a precedent for an RP commend of a region.

I redirect you to Commend Greater Dienstad.

[Free Las Pinas]

I'm trying to set a precedent for an RP commend of a region.

I redirect you to Commend Greater Dienstad.

The difference being that “Commend Greater Dienstad” was an obviously deserved commend for extremely helpful members in the roleplay community and roleplay events, while this one proposes commending a region solely for things that happened in their roleplay, if I understand correctly.

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Overall, I like this a ton, though I also don’t think it’s ready for submission. I suggest you cut down on the organizations listed, and expound on the ones you think are the most exceptional IC-wise, or the ones the region has put most effort into, as those are the accomplishments OOC-wise.

I know they have a lot of threads somewhat of note on the NationStates board, and they’re probably linked to on the WFE too. I suggest you check them out, and possibly try to integrate some of them into this proposal. Take this thread for instance. You can say something along the lines of “guiding newly formed nations in creating their own government agencies” or “publications [something, something]” — yeah, I’m not the best at this .

I’ll try to give more helpful feedback later, need sleep.

[Greater Cesnica]

I have significantly updated the draft with more research, removed filler, and followed prior feedback. I am currently conducting further research, and will update this current draft once that research is complete.

[Greater Cesnica]

I have significantly updated the draft with more research, removed filler, and followed prior feedback. I am currently conducting further research, and will update this current draft once that research is complete.

I have added this research, concerning the intraregional Second Imperial War.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I will be getting rid of the filler and will be adding substance over time.

Can’t wait for that to happen.

This is so like your Commend TRR attempts; lots of fluff, very little that’s Commendable.

[Greater Cesnica]

Since I ran out of characters for the first draft depository post...

The Security Council,

Noting that The Western Isles has for over five years fostered a vibrant, thriving community of nations with immense participation in the realms of diplomatic ties, trade relations, collaborative unions, and the proliferation of mass media;

Applauding the welcoming attitude that new nations are introduced to upon entering The Western Isles as demonstrated by:

• The numerous well-written guides for nations to build up and maintain sectors such as thriving economies, militaries, and foreign relations networks,
• An active, well-equipped system of regional mentors to assist nations in their rise to prosperity, and
• The existence of the International District, a neutral area that serves as an open forum for nations and regional representatives to discuss international relations, seek and give advice on nationbuilding, and for new nations to be introduced to the diplomatic scene of The Western Isles;

Hailing The Western Isles' diplomatic spirit as demonstrated by the formation of these selected notable regional socioeconomic unions and alliances:

• The League, an intraregional organization serving as a complementary regional organ to the World Assembly that aims to maintain regional peace and stability, act as a forum from which to facilitate international relations, alliances, and as a means to facilitate policy-guiding treaties and initiatives,
• The Cooperative Union (CU), a political and economic union intended to promote socioeconomic stability that collectively comprises the largest economic bloc within The Western Isles,
• The Regional Trade and Economic Agreement (RTEA), an international economic union that aims to provide a credible forum for constituent nations to negotiate matters pertaining to all aspects of their respective economies and trade affairs, as well as to collectively strengthen the economies of its constituent nations, and
• The Eterna-Argean Friendship Accords (EAFA), a cooperative agreement between the nations within and bordering the Eterna and Argean Seas that seeks to foster a sense of camaraderie and mutual trust, as well as establishing protocols for shared jurisdiction over their respective Seas;

Saluting the formation of these selected notable defense organizations and forces as a means to ensure regional stability and peace:

• The Mesder Sea Treaty Organization (MSTO), an intergovernmental military alliance which has fostered immense technological advancement and political influence within The Western Isles,
• The Coalition of Free Nations (COFN), an intergovernmental military and socioeconomic pact which has fostered peace, stability, and human development growth within The Western Isles,
• The Argean Rapid Response Force (ARRF), a rapid engagement military force comprised of specialized units from the nations of Vancouvia, Noronica, and Ostehaar that aims to provide a means of swiftly respond to threats and hostile maneuvering in the age of modern warfare,
• The Raedlon Organization of States (ROS), a military and socioeconomic alliance of nations located on the Raedlon peninsula intended to provide mutual defense and foster economic relations and stability between member states;

Impressed by the exceptionally high prevalence and influence of the aforementioned intraregional organizations in The Western Isles, a region of just over 160 nations;

Cognizant of The Western Isles' resolve in pursuing peace following the end of the intraregional Second Imperial War, an accomplishment made all the more remarkable by the significant ideological divide between the Eastern Union of Socialist Republics (EUSR) and the Mesder Sea Treaty Organization (MSTO), the two warring parties;

Praising The Western Isles' for their initiative, vision, and leadership in fostering the formation of the Western Isles Climate Response Council, a non-partisan intergovernmental organization which aims to perform research on alternative energy production sources and assist nations with their response to climate change;

Admiring The Western Isles' dedication to facilitating the distribution of news media on a global scale with the non-profit news media cooperative The Western Isles News, an organization that aggregates articles from newspapers across the region and distributes them en masse for a significant intraregional and interregional readership;

Appreciating The Western Isles' commitment to fostering the creative arts and their international distribution with the Citizens of The Isles, a creative writing publisher sponsored and maintained by a decentralized cooperative of nations from The Western Isles;

Hoping that this resolution encourages other regions to emulate the distinguished, honorable example The Western Isles has forged;

Hereby commends The Western Isles.

[Greater Cesnica]

Draft has been shortened and reworded for clarity/cohesion.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Okay to back up my point about fluff let’s look at just the very beginning of this draft.

The Security Council,

Noting that The Western Isles (TWI) has for over five years fostered a vibrant, thriving community of nations with immense participation in the realms of diplomacy, trade relations, collaborative unions, and the proliferation of mass media;

Applauding the welcoming attitude that new nations are introduced to upon entering TWI, as demonstrated by:

• The numerous well-written guides for nations to build and maintain (for example) thriving economies, militaries, and foreign relations networks,
• An active, well-equipped system of regional mentors to assist nations in their rise to prosperity, and
• The existence of the International District, a neutral and open forum for nations and regional representatives to discuss international relations, seek and give advice on nationbuilding, and introduce new nations to TWI's diplomatic scene;

Hailing TWI's diplomatic spirit as demonstrated by the formation of these notable regional socioeconomic unions and alliances:

How are any of the items on this list better than anything other regions do? TWP has some excellent guides for new players informing them on how to play the game, develop their nation etc. Our Guardians also help mentor new players. Nothing you’ve mentioned here is Commendable. Basically you are throwing stuff around hoping it will stick.

[Greater Cesnica]

Okay to back up my point about fluff let’s look at just the very beginning of this draft.

The Security Council,

Noting that The Western Isles (TWI) has for over five years fostered a vibrant, thriving community of nations with immense participation in the realms of diplomacy, trade relations, collaborative unions, and the proliferation of mass media;

Applauding the welcoming attitude that new nations are introduced to upon entering TWI, as demonstrated by:

• The numerous well-written guides for nations to build and maintain (for example) thriving economies, militaries, and foreign relations networks,
• An active, well-equipped system of regional mentors to assist nations in their rise to prosperity, and
• The existence of the International District, a neutral and open forum for nations and regional representatives to discuss international relations, seek and give advice on nationbuilding, and introduce new nations to TWI's diplomatic scene;

Hailing TWI's diplomatic spirit as demonstrated by the formation of these notable regional socioeconomic unions and alliances:

How are any of the items on this list better than anything other regions do? TWP has some excellent guides for new players informing them on how to play the game, develop their nation etc. Our Guardians also help mentor new players. Nothing you’ve mentioned here is Commendable. Basically you are throwing stuff around hoping it will stick.

You are operating under the assumption that such attributes wouldn't also make TWP commendable or at least contribute to its commendability. What this ultimately boils down to is a disagreement on what can be considered 'commendable'. You have a different interpretation of that from me. And that's fine, you are under no obligation to support it or side with my opinion. All I'm stating is my personal belief about what aspects of a region can be included in a SC commendation of said region.

I have cut back on what I recognize as fluff massively, and have put in RP and regionbuilding accomplishments. If you view RP accomplishments and regionbuilding as fluff, then of course you would view this entire resolution as fluff. Let's go back to "Commend Greater Dienstad", which Comfed mentioned earlier. By the metric that you are applying here, surely most of that Commendation was also fluff, considering most of the clauses focused on either RP accomplishments or regionbuilding accomplishments. It is perfectly fine to commend a region for these things in my eyes. "Commend Yggdrasil" also uses a fair bit of the elements that you criticized. "Commend Haiku" is just a splendid commendation poem of a poetry-based region for writing poetry, which goes under the creative arts and expression umbrella.

If a significant portion or the bulk of the content in those aforementioned commendations were "fluff"; then if the bulk of my proposal comprises RP, regionbuilding, and intraregional assistance, then I believe that the inclusion of such content is merited in order to commend a region.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I think it’s just that I have higher standards on what’s commendable.

[Greater Cesnica]

I think it’s just that I have higher standards on what’s commendable.

And that's your opinion. That's fine. At least you're acknowledging that other commendations have used content that you view as insufficient successfully in the past (I hope).

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

The whole point of being Commendable is that you stand out from the crowd. You have proved unable in the section I quoted to show how the nominee does this. It’s just subjective, no facts quoted to show that their new player guides or mentoring are any better than those produced by other regions.

Without some form of proof it’s just waffle. But then that’s most of this draft.

[Comfed]

I agree with BBD, I see lots of fluff and not a lot of actual content.

[Greater Cesnica]

I agree with BBD, I see lots of fluff and not a lot of actual content.

Once again, what you consider fluff is RP and regionbuilding. If you regard that as fluff, then that is your interpretation. "Commend Greater Dienstad" is mostly comprised of such content.

[Greater Cesnica]

Anyone have feedback on the draft as of its current iteration?

[Greater Cesnica]

Draft has been submitted as a proposal: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1607734724

[Fauxia]

This is going to go well.

[Greater Cesnica]

This is going to go well.

Well, let's see.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Will be recommending to my Delegate that an “Against” vote would be appropriate.

[Shanzie]

Will be recommending to my Delegate that an “Against” vote would be appropriate.

Why?

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Will be recommending to my Delegate that an “Against” vote would be appropriate.

Why?

Read the thread - I have already given my reasons

[Greater Cesnica]

The resolution is at vote: https://www.nationstates.net/page=sc

[Wallenburg]

I think it’s just that I have higher standards on what’s commendable.

You're a riot, truly. The same person who supports pure card C&Cs has higher standards than this resolution satisfies.

[Aruia]

Will be recommending to my Delegate that an “Against” vote would be appropriate.

and yet they voted for.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Will be recommending to my Delegate that an “Against” vote would be appropriate.

and yet they voted for.

As is their prerogative. I advise and recommend, they have the final say.

I think it’s just that I have higher standards on what’s commendable.

You're a riot, truly. The same person who supports pure card C&Cs has higher standards than this resolution satisfies.

The author’s of those resolutions obviously did a better job of convincing me than the present one.