Indiana AG: LGBT Parents should be stripped of Rights

[Sundiata]

No, it's considered tradition. Gospel would be scripture.

So why are you bent on forcing non Catholics to adhere to tradition.

No, no. I want everyone to be a part of the fold.

[Loben III]

So why are you bent on forcing non Catholics to adhere to tradition.

No, no. I want everyone to be a part of the fold.

Those times are over, to the benefit of Protestants.

[Sundiata]

No. Confucianism is dharmic in origin, like Hinduism, like Buddhism. It doesn't make logical sense for God to operate in the manner described by dharmic religions and teachings for a variety of reasons. These reasons are outlined by Aquinas as he describes the qualities necessary to being and goodness.

That's just your opinion.
People can hold a different belief and still think their religion or belief is more important than yours.
But because you want to make certain people unhappy, it can be discredited in creating goodness.

I don't want to to make certain people unhappy anymore than you want to alienate certain people from feeling God's love. It's not just my opinion. Emotions are fleeting. It is right to credit sacred tradition and scripture in our moral understanding.

[The New California Republic]

That's just your opinion.
People can hold a different belief and still think their religion or belief is more important than yours.
But because you want to make certain people unhappy, it can be discredited in creating goodness.

I don't want to to make certain people unhappy anymore than you want to alienate certain people from feeling God's love. It's not just my opinion. Emotions are fleeting. It is right to credit sacred tradition and scripture in our moral understanding.

That unhappiness happening as a predictable effect of a policy and callously disregarding that unhappiness is only marginally—marginally—less abhorrent than doing it intentionally as the purpose.

[Kannap]

So why are you bent on forcing non Catholics to adhere to tradition.

No, no. I want everyone to be a part of the fold.

You need to learn to accept that not everybody is Catholic nor will everybody be.

[Celritannia]

That's just your opinion.
People can hold a different belief and still think their religion or belief is more important than yours.
But because you want to make certain people unhappy, it can be discredited in creating goodness.

I don't want to to make certain people unhappy anymore than you want to alienate certain people from feeling God's love. It's not just my opinion. Emotions are fleeting. It is right to credit sacred tradition and scripture in our moral understanding.

Not when this scripture does not allow people to be happy.
See the overall problem here?

[Kannap]

That's just your opinion.
People can hold a different belief and still think their religion or belief is more important than yours.
But because you want to make certain people unhappy, it can be discredited in creating goodness.

I don't want to to make certain people unhappy anymore than you want to alienate certain people from feeling God's love. It's not just my opinion. Emotions are fleeting. It is right to credit sacred tradition and scripture in our moral understanding.

You do want to make certain people unhappy, though, just so you can feel self-righteous or better about yourself by scoring more points with the Pope or whatever your gimmick is here.

By simply insisting that homosexuals marry somebody of the opposite sex and procreate with them - therefore betraying their very nature and living unhappy and unsatisfying lives - you're harming people. And not just the adults in these marriages, but you're advocating for utterly terrible home lives for the children that their marriage creates. And that's absolutely horrible.

I couldn't imagine growing up with two always unhappy and unsatisfied parents who inevitably will get divorced anyway, further causing harm. Why would you support such behavior? It's morally reprehensible of you to support such harm for so many people - adults and children - in such a care-free way.

Well, at least morally reprehensible in my eyes. I suppose if forcing harm on people, especially children, is morally acceptable in your eyes then I'm sorry for you.

[San Lumen]

That's just your opinion.
People can hold a different belief and still think their religion or belief is more important than yours.
But because you want to make certain people unhappy, it can be discredited in creating goodness.

I don't want to to make certain people unhappy anymore than you want to alienate certain people from feeling God's love. It's not just my opinion. Emotions are fleeting. It is right to credit sacred tradition and scripture in our moral understanding.

Yet you want Lgbt people to be unhappy thus their children could very well be depressed too.

[Celritannia]

I don't want to to make certain people unhappy anymore than you want to alienate certain people from feeling God's love. It's not just my opinion. Emotions are fleeting. It is right to credit sacred tradition and scripture in our moral understanding.

You do want to make certain people unhappy, though, just so you can feel self-righteous or better about yourself by scoring more points with the Pope or whatever your gimmick is here.

By simply insisting that homosexuals marry somebody of the opposite sex and procreate with them - therefore betraying their very nature and living unhappy and unsatisfying lives - you're harming people. And not just the adults in these marriages, but you're advocating for utterly terrible home lives for the children that their marriage creates. And that's absolutely horrible.

I couldn't imagine growing up with two always unhappy and unsatisfied parents who inevitably will get divorced anyway, further causing harm. Why would you support such behavior? It's morally reprehensible of you to support such harm for so many people - adults and children - in such a care-free way.

Well, at least morally reprehensible in my eyes. I suppose if forcing harm on people, especially children, is morally acceptable in your eyes then I'm sorry for you.

"Let's force an unhappy marriage and an unhappy family/childhood. Because that's what God intends."

[Neutraligon]

You do want to make certain people unhappy, though, just so you can feel self-righteous or better about yourself by scoring more points with the Pope or whatever your gimmick is here.

By simply insisting that homosexuals marry somebody of the opposite sex and procreate with them - therefore betraying their very nature and living unhappy and unsatisfying lives - you're harming people. And not just the adults in these marriages, but you're advocating for utterly terrible home lives for the children that their marriage creates. And that's absolutely horrible.

I couldn't imagine growing up with two always unhappy and unsatisfied parents who inevitably will get divorced anyway, further causing harm. Why would you support such behavior? It's morally reprehensible of you to support such harm for so many people - adults and children - in such a care-free way.

Well, at least morally reprehensible in my eyes. I suppose if forcing harm on people, especially children, is morally acceptable in your eyes then I'm sorry for you.

"Let's force an unhappy marriage and an unhappy family/childhood. Because that's what God intends."

Worse than that, let's also prevent happy marriages because God doesn't want IFV.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

We need to think evolutionarily. Why do Abrahamic religions ban male homosexuality? I bet the natural causes would probably be STDs among gays & bisexual men as well as boosting fertility rates among starving agricultural people so that they can be more robust in wars.

[Neutraligon]

We need to think evolutionarily. Why do Abrahamic religions ban male homosexuality? I bet the natural causes would probably be STDs among gays & bisexual men as well as boosting fertility rates among starving agricultural people so that they can be more robust in wars.

Unlikely for the former. Greater numbers and control of the masses is likely a reason why.

[Kannap]

We need to think evolutionarily. Why do Abrahamic religions ban male homosexuality?

The Abrahamic religions are vast and segmented within themselves so many times. You can't treat them like a monolith, the majority of Christians - with the exception of a few sects - support LGBT rights and same sex marriage. I can't speak for Islam and Judaism, because I'm not knowledgeable enough.

I bet the natural causes would probably be STDs among gays & bisexual men as well as boosting fertility rates among starving agricultural people so that they can be more robust in wars.

Ignoring the facts and information available to you out there, sure you could come to that conclusion, but I'd bet that's not the topic of this thread.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

So why are you bent on forcing non Catholics to adhere to tradition.

No, no. I want everyone to be a part of the fold.

I'm sorry, but I and most other people don't want to be part of your Catholic theocratic dystopia.

[Neutraligon]

We need to think evolutionarily. Why do Abrahamic religions ban male homosexuality?

The Abrahamic religions are vast and segmented within themselves so many times. You can't treat them like a monolith, the majority of Christians - with the exception of a few sects - support LGBT rights and same sex marriage. I can't speak for Islam and Judaism, because I'm not knowledgeable enough.

I bet the natural causes would probably be STDs among gays & bisexual men as well as boosting fertility rates among starving agricultural people so that they can be more robust in wars.

Ignoring the facts and information available to you out there, sure you could come to that conclusion, but I'd bet that's not the topic of this thread.

https://www.pewforum.org/religious-land ... -marriage/

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

We need to think evolutionarily. Why do Abrahamic religions ban male homosexuality?

The Abrahamic religions are vast and segmented within themselves so many times. You can't treat them like a monolith, the majority of Christians - with the exception of a few sects - support LGBT rights and same sex marriage. I can't speak for Islam and Judaism, because I'm not knowledgeable enough.

I bet the natural causes would probably be STDs among gays & bisexual men as well as boosting fertility rates among starving agricultural people so that they can be more robust in wars.

Ignoring the facts and information available to you out there, sure you could come to that conclusion, but I'd bet that's not the topic of this thread.

I’m not ignoring facts. Reality is something neither the left nor the right likes lol.

Male homosexuals have more STD than heterosexuals who have more STD than lesbians.

So it is the male gender as opposed to homosexuals that is dirty which is actually consistent with experience.

[Kernen]

Would you force them to do this? Or force them to be celibate?

They'd choose between the two.

Every time I see something that shows the beauty and love unique to Christianity, I manage to come to NSG and see Sundiata say something that ruins it.

I hope you get to live a privileged life that avoids having society force you into a position like this.

[Kannap]

The Abrahamic religions are vast and segmented within themselves so many times. You can't treat them like a monolith, the majority of Christians - with the exception of a few sects - support LGBT rights and same sex marriage. I can't speak for Islam and Judaism, because I'm not knowledgeable enough.



Ignoring the facts and information available to you out there, sure you could come to that conclusion, but I'd bet that's not the topic of this thread.

I’m not ignoring facts. Reality is something neither the left nor the right likes lol.

Male homosexuals have more STD than heterosexuals who have more STD than lesbians.

So it is the male gender as opposed to homosexuals that is dirty which is actually consistent with experience.

I'm trying to be nice by when I say that's not the topic of the thread. Here's another reminder that this is not the topic of the thread and is quite irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

[Giovenith]

The Abrahamic religions are vast and segmented within themselves so many times. You can't treat them like a monolith, the majority of Christians - with the exception of a few sects - support LGBT rights and same sex marriage. I can't speak for Islam and Judaism, because I'm not knowledgeable enough.



Ignoring the facts and information available to you out there, sure you could come to that conclusion, but I'd bet that's not the topic of this thread.

I’m not ignoring facts. Reality is something neither the left nor the right likes lol.

Male homosexuals have more STD than heterosexuals who have more STD than lesbians.

So it is the male gender as opposed to homosexuals that is dirty which is actually consistent with experience.

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[Freiheit Reich]

This might help. Note, I don't agree with some of these rules, but I found it awhile ago and remember these rules. They are pretty strict. :

http://www.catechism.cc/articles/QA.htm#02

7. May a married couple engage in natural intercourse during the wife's pregnancy, or during her period?

7. May a married couple engage in natural intercourse during the wife's pregnancy, or during her period?

Yes, natural intercourse is permitted between a husband and wife during those times.

Although the natural marital act does not result in a new conception during pregnancy, the act itself is still inherently directed toward procreation. Natural intercourse is the type of sexual act that is inherently ordered toward the procreative meaning, as well as toward the marital and unitive meanings. And so the marital act remains moral even when conception cannot occur due to pregnancy.

There are two common reasons that Catholics ask if marital relations is moral during the wife's period. First, some ask because St. Thomas Aquinas wrote that marital relations is not moral during menstruation. However, his opinion was based on a misunderstanding about reproductive biology, in that he thought harm would result to the offspring. Given the medical knowledge that no such harm results to the offspring from marital relations during menstruation, his opinion on this point is in error.

Second, some ask because they mistakenly think that conception cannot occur as a result of sexual relations during menstruation, and they mistakenly think that marital relations is not moral if procreation cannot possibly result. But as long as the sexual act is the type of act inherently directed at procreation, i.e. natural genital-to-genital intercourse, the act retains the procreative meaning intended by God for marital relations. For it is the inherent ordering of an act toward its moral object, not the attainment of the moral object, that causes an act to be either good, or intrinsically evil.

Even when natural intercourse is unable to attain procreation, it remains ordered toward procreation, and so it retains its proper procreative meaning. Natural marital relations is moral, even when the husband and wife are unable to conceive, because the essential moral nature of the act remains inherently ordered toward the threefold good intended by God for sexual relations: the marital, unitive, and procreative meanings.

So let's pick and choose what we want to follow from Leviticus?

I am actually not that religious. I just wanted to show what some strict Christians believe in regards to sex and periods to answer the posters' question.

[Thermodolia]

We need to think evolutionarily. Why do Abrahamic religions ban male homosexuality?

The Abrahamic religions are vast and segmented within themselves so many times. You can't treat them like a monolith, the majority of Christians - with the exception of a few sects - support LGBT rights and same sex marriage. I can't speak for Islam and Judaism, because I'm not knowledgeable enough.

Reform Judaism, the largest sect of Judaism in the US, was pro LGBT back in the 1970s. Jews have been pretty open towards LGBT people and their rights

[Sundiata]

They'd choose between the two.

Every time I see something that shows the beauty and love unique to Christianity, I manage to come to NSG and see Sundiata say something that ruins it.

I hope you get to live a privileged life that avoids having society force you into a position like this.

I want to make this clear: I'm not expressing the moral attitudes of the Catholic Church to hurt your feelings or victimize you, let alone anyone else who shares similar experiences. If you'd like to stop this discussion because you're feeling frustrated I don't blame you.

We can stop at any time. Your feelings are yours. If you'd rather not continue this discussion I really do wish you a good rest of your week.

[San Lumen]

Every time I see something that shows the beauty and love unique to Christianity, I manage to come to NSG and see Sundiata say something that ruins it.

I hope you get to live a privileged life that avoids having society force you into a position like this.

I want to make this clear: I'm not expressing the moral attitudes of the Catholic Church to hurt your feelings or victimize you, let alone anyone else who shares similar experiences. If you'd like to stop this discussion because you're feeling frustrated I don't blame you.

We can stop at any time. Your feelings are yours. If you'd rather not continue this discussion I really do wish you a good rest of your week.

I want to understand why you think Lgbt people should be forced into relationships were they are unhappy and have no attraction whatsoever? Don’t you see the harm that could cause children in such relationships?

Having the option of that or being alone is no choice at all. Both are terrible.

[Sundiata]

I want to make this clear: I'm not expressing the moral attitudes of the Catholic Church to hurt your feelings or victimize you, let alone anyone else who shares similar experiences. If you'd like to stop this discussion because you're feeling frustrated I don't blame you.

We can stop at any time. Your feelings are yours. If you'd rather not continue this discussion I really do wish you a good rest of your week.

I want to understand why you think Lgbt people should be forced into relationships were they are unhappy and have no attraction whatsoever? Don’t you see the harm that could cause children in such relationships?

Having the option of that or being alone is no choice at all. Both are terrible.

Again, I don't think that anyone should be forced into marriage or celibacy. These are two moral choices in line with the moral teaching of the church that someone can voluntarily pursue. I hope that's understood.

[San Lumen]

I want to understand why you think Lgbt people should be forced into relationships were they are unhappy and have no attraction whatsoever? Don’t you see the harm that could cause children in such relationships?

Having the option of that or being alone is no choice at all. Both are terrible.

Again, I don't think that anyone should be forced into marriage or celibacy. These are two moral choices in line with the moral teaching of the church that someone can voluntarily pursue. I hope that's understood.

Yet that’s the choice your presenting and it’s a awful choice to give someone. I couldn’t bear the idea of either.