by Atheris » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:00 pm
by Rost Dreadnorramus » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:01 pm
by Herzpunkt » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:01 pm
Herfitiya wrote:An interesting article. Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia, is locked in a legal battle for more than 10,000 family artifacts seized or lost after World War II.In 1918, following defeat in World War I, the country ditched its royal family to become a republic and a democracy. The then-Kaiser and his family gave up their power but got to keep a substantial part of the fortune they'd amassed over the centuries: castles, land, artworks, crowns, swords and jewels. The ex-royals then went into exile in the Netherlands.
After World War II, Germany was divided into west and east, with the communist Soviet Union and the German Democratic Republic taking control of the latter and seizing the property of ordinary citizens and ex-royals alike. The vast majority of the then-privately-owned German royal fortune fell on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain. It would take almost half a century for the Berlin Wall to come down.
Shortly after, in the 1990s, a reunified Germany passed a law allowing anyone whose property was expropriated to reclaim it. Millions of ordinary families that had fled East Germany used the legislation to reclaim their homes. But the law came with a very specific catch: Those who "substantially supported" the Nazis were ineligible.
This all means that a complex legal claim being debated in 2020 hinges, ultimately, on the actions of one man in the 1930s: Prince Georg's great-grandfather (and the son of Germany's last Kaiser, Wilhelm II), Crown Prince Wilhelm.
The fact that events which occurred almost 100 years ago still have legal implications is very interesting to me. This also brings up ethical and moral questions such as if the right to property should be considered sacred. What do you think NSG?
https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/h ... index.html
by Risottia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:03 pm
Herfitiya wrote:An interesting article. Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia, is locked in a legal battle for more than 10,000 family artifacts seized or lost after World War II.
by Risottia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:06 pm
Atheris wrote:I don't see the issue. They're normal citizens now, not the Emperors, Princes, and Princesses of Germany, so they should by right get their riches back. Only one Hohenzollern out of many supported the Nazis; he's probably not even alive anymore. Give them their money back. Germany promised it.
by Atheris » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:08 pm
Risottia wrote:Atheris wrote:I don't see the issue. They're normal citizens now, not the Emperors, Princes, and Princesses of Germany, so they should by right get their riches back. Only one Hohenzollern out of many supported the Nazis; he's probably not even alive anymore. Give them their money back. Germany promised it.
Eh no. The Kronprinz was a Nazi supporter.
Wilhelm broke the promise he had made to Stresemann to stay out of politics. Adolf Hitler visited Wilhelm at Cecilienhof three times, in 1926, in 1933 (on the "Day of Potsdam") and in 1935. Wilhelm joined Der Stahlhelm, which merged in 1931 into the Harzburg Front, a far-right organisation of those opposed to the democratic republic.[8]:13
The former Crown Prince was reportedly interested in the idea of running for Reichspräsident as the right-wing candidate against Paul von Hindenburg in 1932, until his father (who privately supported Hindenburg) forbade him from acting on the idea. After his plans to become president had been blocked by his father, Wilhelm supported Hitler's rise to power.[8]:13
by Intaglio » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:08 pm
by Deacarsia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:09 pm
by Nakena » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:09 pm
Risottia wrote:Atheris wrote:I don't see the issue. They're normal citizens now, not the Emperors, Princes, and Princesses of Germany, so they should by right get their riches back. Only one Hohenzollern out of many supported the Nazis; he's probably not even alive anymore. Give them their money back. Germany promised it.
Eh no. The Kronprinz was a Nazi supporter.
Wilhelm broke the promise he had made to Stresemann to stay out of politics. Adolf Hitler visited Wilhelm at Cecilienhof three times, in 1926, in 1933 (on the "Day of Potsdam") and in 1935. Wilhelm joined Der Stahlhelm, which merged in 1931 into the Harzburg Front, a far-right organisation of those opposed to the democratic republic.[8]:13
The former Crown Prince was reportedly interested in the idea of running for Reichspräsident as the right-wing candidate against Paul von Hindenburg in 1932, until his father (who privately supported Hindenburg) forbade him from acting on the idea. After his plans to become president had been blocked by his father, Wilhelm supported Hitler's rise to power.[8]:13
by Cordel One » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:10 pm
by Intaglio » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:10 pm
by Stellar Colonies » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:13 pm
Cordel One wrote:Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité! These parasites have no right to that which their ancestors pillaged!
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by Atheris » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:14 pm
Cordel One wrote:Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité! These parasites have no right to that which their ancestors pillaged!
by Intaglio » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:15 pm
Cordel One wrote:Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité! These parasites have no right to that which their ancestors pillaged!
by Nakena » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:16 pm
Intaglio wrote:I mean, I don't really see the issue; if the properties in question are rightfully theirs, why should they not have them back? It's not like they're asking for the throne back or something.
by Atheris » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:18 pm
Nakena wrote:Intaglio wrote:I mean, I don't really see the issue; if the properties in question are rightfully theirs, why should they not have them back? It's not like they're asking for the throne back or something.
The question is if House Hohenzollern or their members around this time had a substantially impact on the rise and establishment of, and support for Nazi-Germany. Which is... doubtful. At least as far as the "significant" part is concerned.
by Orostan » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:19 pm
Herfitiya wrote:An interesting article. Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia, is locked in a legal battle for more than 10,000 family artifacts seized or lost after World War II.In 1918, following defeat in World War I, the country ditched its royal family to become a republic and a democracy. The then-Kaiser and his family gave up their power but got to keep a substantial part of the fortune they'd amassed over the centuries: castles, land, artworks, crowns, swords and jewels. The ex-royals then went into exile in the Netherlands.
After World War II, Germany was divided into west and east, with the communist Soviet Union and the German Democratic Republic taking control of the latter and seizing the property of ordinary citizens and ex-royals alike. The vast majority of the then-privately-owned German royal fortune fell on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain. It would take almost half a century for the Berlin Wall to come down.
Shortly after, in the 1990s, a reunified Germany passed a law allowing anyone whose property was expropriated to reclaim it. Millions of ordinary families that had fled East Germany used the legislation to reclaim their homes. But the law came with a very specific catch: Those who "substantially supported" the Nazis were ineligible.
This all means that a complex legal claim being debated in 2020 hinges, ultimately, on the actions of one man in the 1930s: Prince Georg's great-grandfather (and the son of Germany's last Kaiser, Wilhelm II), Crown Prince Wilhelm.
The fact that events which occurred almost 100 years ago still have legal implications is very interesting to me. This also brings up ethical and moral questions such as if the right to property should be considered sacred. What do you think NSG?
https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/h ... index.html
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by New Visayan Islands » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:20 pm
Cordel One wrote:Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité! These parasites have no right to that which their ancestors pillaged!
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:21 pm
Herfitiya wrote:An interesting article. Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia, is locked in a legal battle for more than 10,000 family artifacts seized or lost after World War II.In 1918, following defeat in World War I, the country ditched its royal family to become a republic and a democracy. The then-Kaiser and his family gave up their power but got to keep a substantial part of the fortune they'd amassed over the centuries: castles, land, artworks, crowns, swords and jewels. The ex-royals then went into exile in the Netherlands.
After World War II, Germany was divided into west and east, with the communist Soviet Union and the German Democratic Republic taking control of the latter and seizing the property of ordinary citizens and ex-royals alike. The vast majority of the then-privately-owned German royal fortune fell on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain. It would take almost half a century for the Berlin Wall to come down.
Shortly after, in the 1990s, a reunified Germany passed a law allowing anyone whose property was expropriated to reclaim it. Millions of ordinary families that had fled East Germany used the legislation to reclaim their homes. But the law came with a very specific catch: Those who "substantially supported" the Nazis were ineligible.
This all means that a complex legal claim being debated in 2020 hinges, ultimately, on the actions of one man in the 1930s: Prince Georg's great-grandfather (and the son of Germany's last Kaiser, Wilhelm II), Crown Prince Wilhelm.
The fact that events which occurred almost 100 years ago still have legal implications is very interesting to me. This also brings up ethical and moral questions such as if the right to property should be considered sacred. What do you think NSG?
https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/h ... index.html
by Cordel One » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:22 pm
Intaglio wrote:Cordel One wrote:Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité! These parasites have no right to that which their ancestors pillaged!
Pillaged? They're asking for the return of things like properties, jewels, artwork and treasures like that. Most of those things would hve built or commissioned by the family themselves, so it's hardly "pillaging" and regardless of whether it was pillaged, that has no legal bearing on their ownership of it.
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