Indiana AG: LGBT Parents should be stripped of Rights

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

You unironically think kids will become fucked up from having two dads?

The homosexuality could rub off on them.

You must be joking.

[Sundiata]

You unironically think kids will become fucked up from having two dads?

The homosexuality could rub off on them.

Come on man.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Well, Libertarianism and children are incompatible.

Thus the existence of parental rights.

Call it authority or dictatorship.

[Sundiata]

You unironically think kids will become fucked up from having two dads?

Wouldn't surprise me. Fun Fact relevant to this case: Lesbian couples have the highest domestic abuse ratings of any couple pairing in the United States.

That's true, there's plenty of room to speculate why. Regardless, every individual deserves a fair shot.

[Kernen]

Thus the existence of parental rights.

Call it authority or dictatorship.

Except it isn't either. You already accepted the premise that children's rights are not coextensive with those of adults. Even if they are negative limits on a child's actions, they are positive abilities and entitlements granted to parents. That entitlement or ability is the concept at issue with such disputes. The term 'rights' is perfectly appropriate.

[Kernen]

The homosexuality could rub off on them.

Come on man.

Come on man is a meaningless plea in the context of a rigorous discussion. You might consider refutation.

[Ethel mermania]

Come on man.

Come on man is a meaningless plea in the context of a rigorous discussion. You might consider refutation.

Fine. Homosexual people have rubbed me and I didn't turn to the gay side.

[Thepeopl]

Come on man is a meaningless plea in the context of a rigorous discussion. You might consider refutation.

Fine. Homosexual people have rubbed me and I didn't turn to the gay side.

https://youtu.be/t1JhjugqB0U
Ricky Gervais on how fat people =/= homosexuality

[Kungsu]

Not just self-harm. Sexual activity as well.

Furthermore, children simply are not capable of the kinds of decision making necessary to function on the same level as adults. This isn't even an opinion, this is basic fucking fact. Psychology 101. Acting like this is not true is not just factually wrong and intellectually dishonest, it is downright harmful to the very children you seek to help.

You're sick and tired of authoritarian parenting? So am I. But the alternative isn't no parenting whatsoever, so stop ripping off Rothbard's Ethics of Liberty.

Well, Libertarianism and children are incompatible.

That's why I quit being a libertarian. Well...among other reasons, but still. The most basic level of security parenting (typically) provides a child cannot be stripped away without serious repercussions. Is one truly free if one is dead? Or has to constantly worry about where their next meal will come from? Arguably, one is most free with a balance of safety and freedom, as safety creates opportunity and freedom allows one to act on it.

[Kowani]

Come on man is a meaningless plea in the context of a rigorous discussion. You might consider refutation.

Fine. Homosexual people have rubbed me and I didn't turn to the gay side.

of course not
your cat is black and white
she lacks rainbows

[Kernen]

Come on man is a meaningless plea in the context of a rigorous discussion. You might consider refutation.

Fine. Homosexual people have rubbed me and I didn't turn to the gay side.

There we go.

[Kernen]

Well, Libertarianism and children are incompatible.

That's why I quit being a libertarian. Well...among other reasons, but still. The most basic level of security parenting (typically) provides a child cannot be stripped away without serious repercussions. Is one truly free if one is dead? Or has to constantly worry about where their next meal will come from? Arguably, one is most free with a balance of safety and freedom, as safety creates opportunity and freedom allows one to act on it.

This is the inherent failure in most libertarian beliefs.

[Ethel mermania]

Fine. Homosexual people have rubbed me and I didn't turn to the gay side.

https://youtu.be/t1JhjugqB0U
Ricky Gervais on how fat people =/= homosexuality

I am not fat.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Call it authority or dictatorship.

Except it isn't either. You already accepted the premise that children's rights are not coextensive with those of adults. Even if they are negative limits on a child's actions, they are positive abilities and entitlements granted to parents. That entitlement or ability is the concept at issue with such disputes. The term 'rights' is perfectly appropriate.

I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.

[Kungsu]

Except it isn't either. You already accepted the premise that children's rights are not coextensive with those of adults. Even if they are negative limits on a child's actions, they are positive abilities and entitlements granted to parents. That entitlement or ability is the concept at issue with such disputes. The term 'rights' is perfectly appropriate.

I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.

You are, perhaps, right. At least semantically. I would probably refer to it as "parental duty/obligation" or even "parental privilege". It is the parent's duty and/or obligation to care for and shelter the child, whether one enjoys such things or sees it as a boon is irrelevant. And, when viewed as good for the parent, parenthood is a privilege that even with our current laws can be revoked on certain grounds.

Entitlement does sound kind of tyrannical, tbh. Though I would still assert that children do have a right to being raised in a safe environment, but anything beyond that I would leave up to debate.

[Ethel mermania]

Except it isn't either. You already accepted the premise that children's rights are not coextensive with those of adults. Even if they are negative limits on a child's actions, they are positive abilities and entitlements granted to parents. That entitlement or ability is the concept at issue with such disputes. The term 'rights' is perfectly appropriate.

I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.

Maybe you should start a thread on it instead of hijacking this one.

[Cordel One]

oh no I thought this was TET, so sorry

[Kernen]

Except it isn't either. You already accepted the premise that children's rights are not coextensive with those of adults. Even if they are negative limits on a child's actions, they are positive abilities and entitlements granted to parents. That entitlement or ability is the concept at issue with such disputes. The term 'rights' is perfectly appropriate.

I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.

You already ceded the issue. Whats left is bickering about what words you don't like. Since changing the term from what is commonly understood to something that doesn't hurt your feelings only invites confusion and disregards the inverse effect of such limitations on children, your argument is left with no legs on which to stand.

[Ethel mermania]

I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.

You already ceded the issue. Whats left is bickering about what words you don't like. Since changing the term from what is commonly understood to something that doesn't hurt your feelings only invites confusion and disregards the inverse effect of such limitations on children, your argument is left with no legs on which to stand.

Arguements that are Immature and childlike, one may say.

[Postauthoritarian America]

https://youtu.be/t1JhjugqB0U
Ricky Gervais on how fat people =/= homosexuality

I am not fat.

Dare to be fat! Fat is where it's at!

[Sundiata]

Come on man.

Come on man is a meaningless plea in the context of a rigorous discussion. You might consider refutation.

Man, I know. I'm just sensitive to homophobia.

[The Black Forrest]

Nonsense.

I think it was a joke.

One does not joke about gay cooties.

[Thepeopl]

I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.

You are, perhaps, right. At least semantically. I would probably refer to it as "parental duty/obligation" or even "parental privilege". It is the parent's duty and/or obligation to care for and shelter the child, whether one enjoys such things or sees it as a boon is irrelevant. And, when viewed as good for the parent, parenthood is a privilege that even with our current laws can be revoked on certain grounds.

Entitlement does sound kind of tyrannical, tbh. Though I would still assert that children do have a right to being raised in a safe environment, but anything beyond that I would leave up to debate.

Parents rights refer to the right to make medical decisions in emergency situations. To give the child your family name. The right to be recognized as primary caregiver and thus being able to attend school meetings about your child. Or just be allowed to pick up the child after school.
These are the parental rights that I can think of, on the fly

[Kungsu]

You are, perhaps, right. At least semantically. I would probably refer to it as "parental duty/obligation" or even "parental privilege". It is the parent's duty and/or obligation to care for and shelter the child, whether one enjoys such things or sees it as a boon is irrelevant. And, when viewed as good for the parent, parenthood is a privilege that even with our current laws can be revoked on certain grounds.

Entitlement does sound kind of tyrannical, tbh. Though I would still assert that children do have a right to being raised in a safe environment, but anything beyond that I would leave up to debate.

Parents rights refer to the right to make medical decisions in emergency situations. To give the child your family name. The right to be recognized as primary caregiver and thus being able to attend school meetings about your child. Or just be allowed to pick up the child after school.
These are the parental rights that I can think of, on the fly

Fair enough. I amend my initial statement, seeing how I had not taken these things into consideration. It's all semantics anyways.

[United Engiresco]

The LGBTQ+ communities need MORE rights, not less.