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by Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:06 am
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:25 am
by Sundiata » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:28 am
by Kernen » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:53 pm
by Kernen » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:54 pm
by Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:24 pm
by Thepeopl » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:34 pm
by Kungsu » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:39 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Not just self-harm. Sexual activity as well.
Furthermore, children simply are not capable of the kinds of decision making necessary to function on the same level as adults. This isn't even an opinion, this is basic fucking fact. Psychology 101. Acting like this is not true is not just factually wrong and intellectually dishonest, it is downright harmful to the very children you seek to help.
You're sick and tired of authoritarian parenting? So am I. But the alternative isn't no parenting whatsoever, so stop ripping off Rothbard's Ethics of Liberty.
Well, Libertarianism and children are incompatible.
by Kowani » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:45 pm
by Kernen » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:47 pm
by Kernen » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:50 pm
Kungsu wrote:Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Well, Libertarianism and children are incompatible.
That's why I quit being a libertarian. Well...among other reasons, but still. The most basic level of security parenting (typically) provides a child cannot be stripped away without serious repercussions. Is one truly free if one is dead? Or has to constantly worry about where their next meal will come from? Arguably, one is most free with a balance of safety and freedom, as safety creates opportunity and freedom allows one to act on it.
by Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:12 pm
Thepeopl wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Fine. Homosexual people have rubbed me and I didn't turn to the gay side.
https://youtu.be/t1JhjugqB0U
Ricky Gervais on how fat people =/= homosexuality
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:24 pm
Kernen wrote:Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Call it authority or dictatorship.
Except it isn't either. You already accepted the premise that children's rights are not coextensive with those of adults. Even if they are negative limits on a child's actions, they are positive abilities and entitlements granted to parents. That entitlement or ability is the concept at issue with such disputes. The term 'rights' is perfectly appropriate.
by Kungsu » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:35 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Kernen wrote:Except it isn't either. You already accepted the premise that children's rights are not coextensive with those of adults. Even if they are negative limits on a child's actions, they are positive abilities and entitlements granted to parents. That entitlement or ability is the concept at issue with such disputes. The term 'rights' is perfectly appropriate.
I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.
by Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:51 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Kernen wrote:Except it isn't either. You already accepted the premise that children's rights are not coextensive with those of adults. Even if they are negative limits on a child's actions, they are positive abilities and entitlements granted to parents. That entitlement or ability is the concept at issue with such disputes. The term 'rights' is perfectly appropriate.
I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.
by Cordel One » Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:07 pm
by Kernen » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:15 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Kernen wrote:Except it isn't either. You already accepted the premise that children's rights are not coextensive with those of adults. Even if they are negative limits on a child's actions, they are positive abilities and entitlements granted to parents. That entitlement or ability is the concept at issue with such disputes. The term 'rights' is perfectly appropriate.
I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.
by Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:46 pm
Kernen wrote:Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.
You already ceded the issue. Whats left is bickering about what words you don't like. Since changing the term from what is commonly understood to something that doesn't hurt your feelings only invites confusion and disregards the inverse effect of such limitations on children, your argument is left with no legs on which to stand.
by Postauthoritarian America » Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:44 pm
by Sundiata » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:47 pm
by The Black Forrest » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:43 am
by Thepeopl » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:00 am
Kungsu wrote:Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
I don’t think these arbitrary entitlements should exist. Hence the word “rights” is not appropriate at all.
You are, perhaps, right. At least semantically. I would probably refer to it as "parental duty/obligation" or even "parental privilege". It is the parent's duty and/or obligation to care for and shelter the child, whether one enjoys such things or sees it as a boon is irrelevant. And, when viewed as good for the parent, parenthood is a privilege that even with our current laws can be revoked on certain grounds.
Entitlement does sound kind of tyrannical, tbh. Though I would still assert that children do have a right to being raised in a safe environment, but anything beyond that I would leave up to debate.
by Kungsu » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:53 am
Thepeopl wrote:Kungsu wrote:You are, perhaps, right. At least semantically. I would probably refer to it as "parental duty/obligation" or even "parental privilege". It is the parent's duty and/or obligation to care for and shelter the child, whether one enjoys such things or sees it as a boon is irrelevant. And, when viewed as good for the parent, parenthood is a privilege that even with our current laws can be revoked on certain grounds.
Entitlement does sound kind of tyrannical, tbh. Though I would still assert that children do have a right to being raised in a safe environment, but anything beyond that I would leave up to debate.
Parents rights refer to the right to make medical decisions in emergency situations. To give the child your family name. The right to be recognized as primary caregiver and thus being able to attend school meetings about your child. Or just be allowed to pick up the child after school.
These are the parental rights that I can think of, on the fly
by United Engiresco » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:58 am
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