Indiana AG: LGBT Parents should be stripped of Rights

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

i don't see why a birth certificate has to list the biological parents, this is just blatantly discriminatory

[San Lumen]

i don't see why a birth certificate has to list the biological parents, this is just blatantly discriminatory

It is and a ruling in the AG's favor could have far reaching affects beyond just instances like the couple at the heart of the case.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Curtis Hill should know that facts don't care about his feelings, the snowflake.

LGBT Parents have the right to raise a child like any other couple. He doesn't like it, he can go to Hungary or Poland to be in his anti sjw hug box where mean people won't call him out for being a homophobe.

[SD_Film Artists]

i don't see why a birth certificate has to list the biological parents, this is just blatantly discriminatory

It's useful for genealogists or adopted children when finding biological parents rather than legal guardians.

[Greed and Death]

i don't see why a birth certificate has to list the biological parents, this is just blatantly discriminatory

It's useful for genealogists or adopted children when finding biological parents rather than legal guardians.

Yes and if they opt to do that for those reasons they need to include straight people as well. So sperm donors and egg donored parents need to be removed.

[SD_Film Artists]

It's useful for genealogists or adopted children when finding biological parents rather than legal guardians.

Yes and if they opt to do that for those reasons they need to include straight people as well. So sperm donors and egg donored parents need to be removed.

Of course, just as long as they're the biological parents regardless of their sexual orientation.

[Necroghastia]

“A birth mother’s wife will never be the biological father of the child, meaning that, whenever a birth-mother’s wife gains presumptive ‘parentage’ status, a biological father’s rights and obligations to the child have necessarily been undermined without proper adjudication,” Hill wrote.

Trans people exist, idiot.

[SD_Film Artists]

“A birth mother’s wife will never be the biological father of the child, meaning that, whenever a birth-mother’s wife gains presumptive ‘parentage’ status, a biological father’s rights and obligations to the child have necessarily been undermined without proper adjudication,” Hill wrote.

Trans people exist, idiot.

What if they're not trans but the lesbian couple want to be both on the certificate? Ignoring what I said earlier about the importance of biological parents being documented, the certificate could just be changed to have two mothers.

[Necroghastia]

Trans people exist, idiot.

What if they're not trans but the lesbian couple want to be both on the certificate? Ignoring what I said earlier about the importance of biological parents being documented, the certificate could just be changed to have two mothers.

That's valid, I just wanted to point out a bit of ignorance that I don't believe had already been pointed out here.

[Stellar Colonies]

What should be the maximum limit for the world population? Your argument that we constantly need a bunch of babies is also used by many officials as well. This means the world population must forever keep increasing to the point that human civilization suffers greatly. We already see the consequences overpopulation has had in many African nations as well as Bangladesh. Why not just have a steadily declining population which means a higher quality of life. Japan, Italy, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Russia (all with very low birth rates) are all better off now vs. the 1950's when they had much higher birth rates.

Homosexuals can adopt in the USA (which I am against, but it is a reality). Why not adopt instead of using unnatural artificial insemination?

What is wrong with artificial insemination?

Artificial insemination should not even be allowed. The world has too many people already. The fact that 2 people of the same sex can 'make a baby' using artificial insemination (although technically, only one of these 2 people in the same sex relationship actually is a biological parent) is another reason to ban artificial insemination.

*My own opinions regarding artificial insemination and overpopulation are not necessarily the same as those shown in the post I quoted above

[San Lumen]

What is wrong with artificial insemination?

Artificial insemination should not even be allowed. The world has too many people already. The fact that 2 people of the same sex can 'make a baby' using artificial insemination (although technically, only one of these 2 people in the same sex relationship actually is a biological parent) is another reason to ban artificial insemination.

*My own opinions regarding artificial insemination and overpopulation are not necessarily the same as those shown in the post I quoted above

If someone is willing to be sperm donor and a woman is willing to carry a child to term why shouldnt it be allowed? What right do you have to tell someone what to do with their body?

[Stellar Colonies]

*My own opinions regarding artificial insemination and overpopulation are not necessarily the same as those shown in the post I quoted above

If someone is willing to be sperm donor and a woman is willing to carry a child to term why shouldnt it be allowed? What right do you have to tell someone what to do with their body?

I'm not sure, although Freiheit will probably be able to answer that question put to their opinion.

Regarding myself, I don't believe I have the right to dictate what other people do with their wombs or sperm, assuming there is consent and no hidden agendas from all involved parties.

[Freiheit Reich]

*My own opinions regarding artificial insemination and overpopulation are not necessarily the same as those shown in the post I quoted above

If someone is willing to be sperm donor and a woman is willing to carry a child to term why shouldnt it be allowed? What right do you have to tell someone what to do with their body?

The US government forces people to wear seatbelts and helmets and in many places bans suicide. The government also bans abortions after a certain number of weeks (and many states are trying to ban abortion in almost all cases). The government has a lot of control over our bodies already and with support of both major political parties.

The idea is that it is unnatural just as cloning is. Banning artificial insemination is another way to reduce the birth rate and a better use of the medical resources can be for more important matters. Also, this could be a solution to the huge number of unwanted children in orphanages and foster homes.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Artificial insemination should not even be allowed. The world has too many people already. The fact that 2 people of the same sex can 'make a baby' using artificial insemination (although technically, only one of these 2 people in the same sex relationship actually is a biological parent) is another reason to ban artificial insemination.

Why not make coming out easier? They're less likely than straight couples to have babies to begin with. It would also help to make abortions easier and protection more avaliable.

[South Quantia]

Oh Indiana. Come on. Why the discrimination?

And who cares about whether the parents are "biological" here anyway? Whatever happened to adoption?

[San Lumen]

If someone is willing to be sperm donor and a woman is willing to carry a child to term why shouldnt it be allowed? What right do you have to tell someone what to do with their body?

The US government forces people to wear seatbelts and helmets and in many places bans suicide. The government also bans abortions after a certain number of weeks (and many states are trying to ban abortion in almost all cases). The government has a lot of control over our bodies already and with support of both major political parties.

The idea is that it is unnatural just as cloning is. Banning artificial insemination is another way to reduce the birth rate and a better use of the medical resources can be for more important matters. Also, this could be a solution to the huge number of unwanted children in orphanages and foster homes.

so people who can't have children should be barred from ever having them. What if they dont want to adopt? They are barred from ever having children?

[Freiheit Reich]

The US government forces people to wear seatbelts and helmets and in many places bans suicide. The government also bans abortions after a certain number of weeks (and many states are trying to ban abortion in almost all cases). The government has a lot of control over our bodies already and with support of both major political parties.

The idea is that it is unnatural just as cloning is. Banning artificial insemination is another way to reduce the birth rate and a better use of the medical resources can be for more important matters. Also, this could be a solution to the huge number of unwanted children in orphanages and foster homes.

so people who can't have children should be barred from ever having them. What if they dont want to adopt? They are barred from ever having children?

They were not meant to have kids. It is sad but test tube babies don't seem morally right just as cloning people seems to go against nature. Test tube babies will weaken family relationships. It will allow people to have kids without even needing a partner. A kid needs both parents, a male father and a female mother. When kids lack a parent, they are more likely (remember more likely doesn't mean 100%-we can always find exceptions) to get into trouble and be depressed.

How Single Parent Households Affect Children

https://nydivorcefirm.com/single-parent ... -children/

How Single Parent Households Affect Children
in Blog, Children and Divorce, Divorce, Life After Divorce | by Yulia Vangorodska | No comments
Single parents
In today’s day and age, single parent families are no longer viewed as non-traditional families since they are all around us. According to the US Census Bureau, approximately 30 percent of American families are headed by only one parent. There were over 12 million single-parent households in the US in 2000.

The percentage of children living with two parents has been declining among all racial and ethnic groups. 22 million children in the US go home to one parent and approximately 83 percent of these parents are moms. While single mom homes are more common, the number of single fathers has also been growing by 60 percent during the last ten years.
With respect to custodial parents, data shows that 85 percent are mothers while 15 percent are fathers. In addition, nearly 50 percent of children who live with their mother do not see their father on a regular basis two years after the breakup of their family.

As the number of single-parent families increase, it has become important to analyze the effect of such households on children. There is no doubt that single-parent households face significant challenges, both for the parent and the child, but that does not mean that such families cannot thrive and function well in society.

Among children who live with one parent, approximately 38 percent live with a divorced parent; 35 percent with a never-married parent, 19 percent with a separated parent, 4 percent with a widowed parent and 4 percent with a parent whose spouse lived elsewhere.

It is important to first understand a few basic factors about the single-parent household. A single parent refers to a parent who has one or more than one child and who is not living with the children’s other parent.

Varied research shows that children in single-parent homes fare worse than those with two parents. There is a prevalence of lower birth-rates and higher death rates among infants in one-parent homes. The number of children aged 15 to 17 years in school and in good health is much lower in children from single-parent homes as compared to two-parent homes. The number of children becoming pregnant at these ages is also increasing.

In addition, children who have gone through a divorce are more likely to suffer from depression, emotional stress and difficulties in school. Adolescents from single parent families were found to be three times more likely to be depressed than those living with two parents. Criminal activity is also more associated with single parent homes. Children from single-parent households account for 72% of teenage murderers and 60% rape crimes. Children from single-parent homes are eleven times more likely to exhibit violent behavior.

This does not mean that problems found in single-parent homes are because of the parent who raises the children. It can be related to things other than single parenting. Single-parent households are generally less well-off financially and this may be a major reason for family problems. Low income families face issues of lower education levels and lower economic achievement which can often leave the child feeling lonely and isolated. Also, children in single-parent households are generally less supervised and there is also less communication between the child and the parent.

As already mentioned, single-mother households are the most common types of one parent family. Compared to single fathers, single mothers face different challenges. Nearly 70% of single parent mothers live in poverty and earn less than $13,000 annually. They have a tough time providing for their families because they usually have lower paying jobs.

However, while women may face more financial issues, at the same time, they are more nurturing and demonstrate their love through hugging, showing affection and by telling them how much they love them. Also, as compared to men, women have an extensive support system and are closer to their friends and family. On the flip side, single motherhood is tough because women make less money and have to work longer hours leaving them with less for their children.

Single father households also face unique challenges. Men may have better positions in the workforce with higher salaries and usually have less economic issues but fathers do not communicate as well with their children as mothers. That is why children from single-father households are more likely to use marijuana and other illicit drugs; they are also more likely to drink and have sex at an earlier age. The perception that fathers are stricter than mothers is not really true since statistics show that they are less disciplinary than single mothers. However, fathers can be a great influence on their child and sons often learn to be good fathers by watching their own father.
In order to fare better, single mothers and fathers should make use of many resources and information that is available to assist struggling parents. There are organizations such as Parents Without Partners and Solo Parenting Alliance that offer various programs, educational, family and recreational activities. Parentsplace is a website that hosts a number of sites that provide information and chat with single parents.

Parents should use these programs because single-parenting can be very challenging and knowledge could help make a difference in how they fare in society.

[San Lumen]

so people who can't have children should be barred from ever having them. What if they dont want to adopt? They are barred from ever having children?

They were not meant to have kids. It is sad but test tube babies don't seem morally right just as cloning people seems to go against nature. Test tube babies will weaken family relationships. It will allow people to have kids without even needing a partner. A kid needs both parents, a male father and a female mother. When kids lack a parent, they are more likely (remember more likely doesn't mean 100%-we can always find exceptions) to get into trouble and be depressed.

How Single Parent Households Affect Children

https://nydivorcefirm.com/single-parent ... -children/

How Single Parent Households Affect Children
in Blog, Children and Divorce, Divorce, Life After Divorce | by Yulia Vangorodska | No comments
Single parents
In today’s day and age, single parent families are no longer viewed as non-traditional families since they are all around us. According to the US Census Bureau, approximately 30 percent of American families are headed by only one parent. There were over 12 million single-parent households in the US in 2000.

The percentage of children living with two parents has been declining among all racial and ethnic groups. 22 million children in the US go home to one parent and approximately 83 percent of these parents are moms. While single mom homes are more common, the number of single fathers has also been growing by 60 percent during the last ten years.
With respect to custodial parents, data shows that 85 percent are mothers while 15 percent are fathers. In addition, nearly 50 percent of children who live with their mother do not see their father on a regular basis two years after the breakup of their family.

As the number of single-parent families increase, it has become important to analyze the effect of such households on children. There is no doubt that single-parent households face significant challenges, both for the parent and the child, but that does not mean that such families cannot thrive and function well in society.

Among children who live with one parent, approximately 38 percent live with a divorced parent; 35 percent with a never-married parent, 19 percent with a separated parent, 4 percent with a widowed parent and 4 percent with a parent whose spouse lived elsewhere.

It is important to first understand a few basic factors about the single-parent household. A single parent refers to a parent who has one or more than one child and who is not living with the children’s other parent.

Varied research shows that children in single-parent homes fare worse than those with two parents. There is a prevalence of lower birth-rates and higher death rates among infants in one-parent homes. The number of children aged 15 to 17 years in school and in good health is much lower in children from single-parent homes as compared to two-parent homes. The number of children becoming pregnant at these ages is also increasing.

In addition, children who have gone through a divorce are more likely to suffer from depression, emotional stress and difficulties in school. Adolescents from single parent families were found to be three times more likely to be depressed than those living with two parents. Criminal activity is also more associated with single parent homes. Children from single-parent households account for 72% of teenage murderers and 60% rape crimes. Children from single-parent homes are eleven times more likely to exhibit violent behavior.

This does not mean that problems found in single-parent homes are because of the parent who raises the children. It can be related to things other than single parenting. Single-parent households are generally less well-off financially and this may be a major reason for family problems. Low income families face issues of lower education levels and lower economic achievement which can often leave the child feeling lonely and isolated. Also, children in single-parent households are generally less supervised and there is also less communication between the child and the parent.

As already mentioned, single-mother households are the most common types of one parent family. Compared to single fathers, single mothers face different challenges. Nearly 70% of single parent mothers live in poverty and earn less than $13,000 annually. They have a tough time providing for their families because they usually have lower paying jobs.

However, while women may face more financial issues, at the same time, they are more nurturing and demonstrate their love through hugging, showing affection and by telling them how much they love them. Also, as compared to men, women have an extensive support system and are closer to their friends and family. On the flip side, single motherhood is tough because women make less money and have to work longer hours leaving them with less for their children.

Single father households also face unique challenges. Men may have better positions in the workforce with higher salaries and usually have less economic issues but fathers do not communicate as well with their children as mothers. That is why children from single-father households are more likely to use marijuana and other illicit drugs; they are also more likely to drink and have sex at an earlier age. The perception that fathers are stricter than mothers is not really true since statistics show that they are less disciplinary than single mothers. However, fathers can be a great influence on their child and sons often learn to be good fathers by watching their own father.
In order to fare better, single mothers and fathers should make use of many resources and information that is available to assist struggling parents. There are organizations such as Parents Without Partners and Solo Parenting Alliance that offer various programs, educational, family and recreational activities. Parentsplace is a website that hosts a number of sites that provide information and chat with single parents.

Parents should use these programs because single-parenting can be very challenging and knowledge could help make a difference in how they fare in society.

Not meant to have children? Same sex couples shouldn;t be allowed to have kids at all? A friend of mine was raised by two men. They are the only family he's ever known. He has no memory of his biological parents.

He turned out just fine.

[Necroghastia]

so people who can't have children should be barred from ever having them. What if they dont want to adopt? They are barred from ever having children?

They were not meant to have kids.

"Not meant to" according to what?

It is sad but test tube babies don't seem morally right just as cloning people seems to go against nature.

Seems fine to me. If it's sad, why do you consider it morally wrong? "Going against nature" is a stupid vague reason that is stupid and vague.

Test tube babies will weaken family relationships.

How?

A kid needs both parents, a male father and a female mother.

Source?

[Freiheit Reich]

They were not meant to have kids.

"Not meant to" according to what?

It is sad but test tube babies don't seem morally right just as cloning people seems to go against nature.

Seems fine to me. If it's sad, why do you consider it morally wrong? "Going against nature" is a stupid vague reason that is stupid and vague.

Test tube babies will weaken family relationships.

How?

A kid needs both parents, a male father and a female mother.

Source?

Several good reasons are given for why IVF and lab grown babies are wrong. I suggest reading 'Brave New World' to know what this could ultimately lead to. Yes, it is a fiction book, BUT when it was written test tube babies were not possible and now they are. 'Brave New World' along with '1984' and 'Atlas Shrugged' were written as warnings to society.

What's wrong with In Vitro Fertilization (IVF)?

https://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic ... zation.php

A Hard Truth: IVF is Not Moral

https://cultureoflife.org/2020/01/24/a- ... not-moral/

IVF: MORAL AND ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family ... derations/

Designer babies: an ethical horror waiting to happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... -to-happen

The next step after artificial insemination is lab grown babies.

The Controversy Surrounding Lab Grown Babies

https://www.babygaga.com/the-controvers ... wn-babies/

[Senkaku]

They were not meant to have kids. It is sad but test tube babies don't seem morally right just as cloning people seems to go against nature.

Humans are natural, and naturally tend to develop technology, using natural materials, principles, and phenomena-- how could any of the technologies thusly developed be "unnatural" in any sense, or are we just stripping the word of all meaning

[Alcala-Cordel]

Not gonna get into refutations but a little source background:

"Not meant to" according to what?

Seems fine to me. If it's sad, why do you consider it morally wrong? "Going against nature" is a stupid vague reason that is stupid and vague.

How?


Source?

Several good reasons are given for why IVF and lab grown babies are wrong. I suggest reading 'Brave New World' to know what this could ultimately lead to. Yes, it is a fiction book, BUT when it was written test tube babies were not possible and now they are. 'Brave New World' along with '1984' and 'Atlas Shrugged' were written as warnings to society.

What's wrong with In Vitro Fertilization (IVF)?

https://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic ... zation.php

Great source, Catholic Bridge. Almost exclusively makes pseudoscientific or entirely religious arguments.

A Hard Truth: IVF is Not Moral

https://cultureoflife.org/2020/01/24/a- ... not-moral/

Unreliable anti-choice propaganda.

IVF: MORAL AND ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family ... derations/

Evangelical propaganda that advocates child abuse.

Designer babies: an ethical horror waiting to happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... -to-happen

Not really relevant to the current debate, but at least it's a decent source.

The next step after artificial insemination is lab grown babies.

logical fallacy

The Controversy Surrounding Lab Grown Babies

https://www.babygaga.com/the-controvers ... wn-babies/

Gotta admit idk what babygaga.com is.

[Adamede]

If someone is willing to be sperm donor and a woman is willing to carry a child to term why shouldnt it be allowed? What right do you have to tell someone what to do with their body?

The US government forces people to wear seatbelts and helmets and in many places bans suicide. The government also bans abortions after a certain number of weeks (and many states are trying to ban abortion in almost all cases). The government has a lot of control over our bodies already and with support of both major political parties.

The idea is that it is unnatural just as cloning is. Banning artificial insemination is another way to reduce the birth rate and a better use of the medical resources can be for more important matters. Also, this could be a solution to the huge number of unwanted children in orphanages and foster homes.

Pretty sure the unwanted children of the world don’t generally result form artificial insemination. Of the government truly wanted to cut down on that they’d have any form of reproductive intercourses be heavily regulated by the government.

[Freiheit Reich]

The US government forces people to wear seatbelts and helmets and in many places bans suicide. The government also bans abortions after a certain number of weeks (and many states are trying to ban abortion in almost all cases). The government has a lot of control over our bodies already and with support of both major political parties.

The idea is that it is unnatural just as cloning is. Banning artificial insemination is another way to reduce the birth rate and a better use of the medical resources can be for more important matters. Also, this could be a solution to the huge number of unwanted children in orphanages and foster homes.

Pretty sure the unwanted children of the world don’t generally result form artificial insemination. Of the government truly wanted to cut down on that they’d have any form of reproductive intercourses be heavily regulated by the government.

If a couple has a baby through artificial insemination, they won't adopt one from an orphanage. This means one more unwanted child will continue to sorrowfully wait for a couple to finally want it and he or she will possibly grow up feeling unloved and have a higher chance of becoming a depressed and/or angry adult which may lead to him or her becoming a drug addict or an alcoholic and turning to a life of crime. In this way, artificial insemination could lead to an increased rate of crime as well. These stats would not be easy to determine though.

It is argued that abortion reduced the crime rate because it reduced the number of unwanted kids. Artificial insemination leads to more unwanted kids (ones that are not adopted). More unwanted kids is a possible cause of higher crime rates.

Does Abortion Lower Crime Rates?

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=1843646&page=1

[Adamede]

Pretty sure the unwanted children of the world don’t generally result form artificial insemination. Of the government truly wanted to cut down on that they’d have any form of reproductive intercourses be heavily regulated by the government.

If a couple has a baby through artificial insemination, they won't adopt one from an orphanage. This means one more unwanted child will continue to sorrowfully wait for a couple to finally want it and he or she will possibly grow up feeling unloved and have a higher chance of becoming a depressed and/or angry adult which may lead to him or her becoming a drug addict or an alcoholic and turning to a life of crime. In this way, artificial insemination could lead to an increased rate of crime as well. These stats would not be easy to determine though.

It is argued that abortion reduced the crime rate because it reduced the number of unwanted kids. Artificial insemination leads to more unwanted kids (ones that are not adopted). More unwanted kids is a possible cause of higher crime rates.

Does Abortion Lower Crime Rates?

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=1843646&page=1

That also applies to couples who choose sexual reproduction to have their children.