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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:14 am

Missed quorum.
The Security Council proposal "Condemn The Free Joy State" [Cretox State] failed to achieve quorum.
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Postby Starfyre » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:55 pm

The Free Joy State has done a lot with issues and has been a huge part of that community for awhile, and to downgrade that to "just three issues" is a bit disingenuous I feel. Full support, and well written I feel. Can't wait to vote on it :)
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Postby Cretox State » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:29 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Missed quorum.
The Security Council proposal "Condemn The Free Joy State" [Cretox State] failed to achieve quorum.

Indeed. I'll most likely resubmit in a few days.

Starfyre wrote:The Free Joy State has done a lot with issues and has been a huge part of that community for awhile, and to downgrade that to "just three issues" is a bit disingenuous I feel. Full support, and well written I feel. Can't wait to vote on it :)

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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:19 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Missed quorum.
The Security Council proposal "Condemn The Free Joy State" [Cretox State] failed to achieve quorum.

C&C’s are being handed out like participation prizes now days. Remember back in day, we were lucky to see three or four C&C’s a year? And those ones needed to be up to snuff. There was no fucking around back then. You had better have done your research, and you better have the allies to support it. Now they pretty much all can be boiled down to “They wrote a few resolutions, authored an issue, and are generally not a dick”. That’s it! That’s the criteria these days to get a badge. Every fucking week, we seem be voting on more backpatting. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to be nominated for one these days. Being put under a microscope, for a badge, that had be devalued to the point, where it’s becoming more and more uncommon, to not see one on a nation, in particular moderators, GenSec, or issues editors.

I for one was quite happy to see this one not make quorum. Perhaps it is a sign that we don’t need to be voting on something all the time.

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Postby Chan Island » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:14 am

Well it's back on the SC so let's see how it does.

Voted for it. FJS has been a fantastic member of the issues writing community for many years now.
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Postby Island Girl Herby » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:54 am

Okay so I don’t get it. “They wrote three issues and... oooh look a squirrel!” That’s how this proposal reads to me.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:36 am

Island Girl Herby wrote:Okay so I don’t get it. “They wrote three issues and... oooh look a squirrel!” That’s how this proposal reads to me.

Succinct and accurate.

This is not a good proposal.
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Postby Crazy girl » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:57 am

Maybe, I still like the way it is written.

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Postby Comfed » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:10 am

This does not demonstrate sufficient actions on the part of the nominee for a C/C.

Against.
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Postby Kissassia » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:11 am

This feels like that joke condemnation that got repealed a while back. If the issues were really so terrible, that's something you bring up with the people in charge of issues, not in Condemnation.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:48 am

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:This is well prepared, but I just don't think three issues is enough to merit commendation. Maybe three issues in conjunction with regional service or successful military operations, or WA authorship, or exceptional roleplay, but not three issues alone.

I echo this reply in the thread of Commend CWA, you could make the same argument for Joy.
Frisbeeteria wrote:As opposed to raiding or roleplaying? There's a ton of work involved, probably more than most suspect ... and it impacts everyone in the game. It's absolutely worth a commendation.

It's a shame R1 won't let us recognize the work CWA has done as Senior Issues Editor, because that's been absolutely MASSIVE. There is an incredible amount behind-the-scenes stuff being done by them. Whether the SC recognizes them or not, I want it clearly understood that staff members are pretty much in awe of the work being done by the Issues team under CWA's leadership. Despite this proposal necessarily being limited to the 3 or 5 issues created before they joined the team, it's still worthy of SC recognition.

If you can't work within the rules to create a meritorious C&C, then you shouldn't write it at all. The rules exist to be adhered to, not for people to find loopholes.
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Postby Candensia » Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:42 am

An undoubtedly worthy nominee. Full support here.
The Free Joy State wrote:Time spent working on writing skills -- even if the draft doesn't work -- is never wasted.

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Postby Comfed » Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:47 am

Candensia wrote:An undoubtedly worthy nominee. Full support here.

What would you say makes the nominee “worthy”?
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Numero Capitan wrote:I haven't bothered reading back but I can unequivocally say that I agree with everything HEM has said and Unibot is wrong

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Postby Candensia » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:21 pm

Comfed wrote:
Candensia wrote:An undoubtedly worthy nominee. Full support here.

What would you say makes the nominee “worthy”?


Joy is among the most respected individuals within the issues community. Their total number of issue contributions currently total 36. Many of these issues cannot be specifically mentioned in the proposal, but to ignore this contribution from an objective standpoint would simply be malpractice , in my opinion. Similarly, Joy tirelessly responds to comment within the community from Authors and Readers to correct mistakes and fine tune the issue base. Sometimes, this isn't the most encouraging task, as some feedback can be less than respectful. These contributions are usually thankless, and obviously cannot be mentioned in a resolution, but it would simply be unconscionable to ignore them from an objective standpoint.

Joy has built a reputation for excellence, elegance, and maintains an enduring presence within the issues community. Joy inspires and encourages others- look no further than my signature. It is for these reasons why I find Joy to be worthy of recognition. This resolution is indeed a Condemnation, but I believe C/Cs to be a badges of honor, of which Joy is no doubt deserving of.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:48 pm

Candensia wrote:
Comfed wrote:What would you say makes the nominee “worthy”?


Joy is among the most respected individuals within the issues community. Their total number of issue contributions currently total 36. Many of these issues cannot be specifically mentioned in the proposal, but to ignore this contribution from an objective standpoint would simply be malpractice , in my opinion. Similarly, Joy tirelessly responds to comment within the community from Authors and Readers to correct mistakes and fine tune the issue base. Sometimes, this isn't the most encouraging task, as some feedback can be less than respectful. These contributions are usually thankless, and obviously cannot be mentioned in a resolution, but it would simply be unconscionable to ignore them from an objective standpoint.

Joy has built a reputation for excellence, elegance, and maintains an enduring presence within the issues community. Joy inspires and encourages others- look no further than my signature. It is for these reasons why I find Joy to be worthy of recognition. This resolution is indeed a Condemnation, but I believe C/Cs to be a badges of honor, of which Joy is no doubt deserving of.

To ignore the issues not listed in this resolution is to adhere to and respect the rules of this chamber. If you don't like them, take it to technical. The site staff are working on a SC rules rewrite at this very moment, so there's no better time to suggest changes.
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Postby Candensia » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:08 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Candensia wrote:
Joy is among the most respected individuals within the issues community. Their total number of issue contributions currently total 36. Many of these issues cannot be specifically mentioned in the proposal, but to ignore this contribution from an objective standpoint would simply be malpractice , in my opinion. Similarly, Joy tirelessly responds to comment within the community from Authors and Readers to correct mistakes and fine tune the issue base. Sometimes, this isn't the most encouraging task, as some feedback can be less than respectful. These contributions are usually thankless, and obviously cannot be mentioned in a resolution, but it would simply be unconscionable to ignore them from an objective standpoint.

Joy has built a reputation for excellence, elegance, and maintains an enduring presence within the issues community. Joy inspires and encourages others- look no further than my signature. It is for these reasons why I find Joy to be worthy of recognition. This resolution is indeed a Condemnation, but I believe C/Cs to be a badges of honor, of which Joy is no doubt deserving of.

To ignore the issues not listed in this resolution is to adhere to and respect the rules of this chamber. If you don't like them, take it to technical. The site staff are working on a SC rules rewrite at this very moment, so there's no better time to suggest changes.


Wallenburg, clearly I am not making the assertion that Joy should be recognized for anything impermissible under the current SC ruleset. I only sought to explain my thought process for why I, personally, view the nominee as worthy of being nominated for recognition because I, personally, was asked.
The Free Joy State wrote:Time spent working on writing skills -- even if the draft doesn't work -- is never wasted.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:56 pm

While I support in principle, the way its written doesnt emphasise the magnitude of the feedback contributions. Abstain
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:59 pm

Candensia wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:To ignore the issues not listed in this resolution is to adhere to and respect the rules of this chamber. If you don't like them, take it to technical. The site staff are working on a SC rules rewrite at this very moment, so there's no better time to suggest changes.


Wallenburg, clearly I am not making the assertion that Joy should be recognized for anything impermissible under the current SC ruleset. I only sought to explain my thought process for why I, personally, view the nominee as worthy of being nominated for recognition because I, personally, was asked.

I see no reason to support a C&C for accomplishments the resolution does not reference. I, at least, vote on the resolution, not the people around it.
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Postby Goobergunchia » Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:10 pm

Extremely reluctant vote against.

I've been staring at this thread and trying to square it with the text of the resolution and I'm having real problems. Ultimately this feels too much to me like "we want to recognize The Free Joy State for Issues Editing, but we can't do that officially, so this is what we can say and we'll use the debate to raise other points". I don't think I can support that -- I do think Rule 1 is worth preserving in both spirit and letter.

What I'd like to hear in this thread is a clear argument that The Free Joy State is commendable for issues-related activity before January/February 2017. If I can be convinced of that I'll happily switch my vote.
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This resolution has now been passed!
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:36 am

Lest we forget, Condemn The Free Joy State was passed 9,921 votes to 4,266.
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