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A Bloodred Moon
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:18 am

Daytime to Night wrote:leaking secure information or simply the constant harassment GCR leaders in private messages for acting in their own interests rather than that of the raider sphere.

If it was in private messages, how do you know about it?

Jakker has already been actively lobbying people to approve this proposal as a means to troll 10000 Islands, remarkable conduct for a forum moderator.

Do you have any proof of that?

TBH are now suggesting a random group of their rank and file decided to do this on their own in support of Jakker's resolution and didn’t organise it or discuss it in any area visible to their own leadership.

Surely defender intel can figure some evidence to the contrary if that is the case? Additionally, your group consists of two people and a third nation that you lot can’t place. Quite the group indeed. If TBH was behind this I’d hope they wouldn’t organise such a poor attempt at it, but I suppose you’ll know best.

The attempts by the likes of Peeps, Jo and others to peddle the ‘Council definitely didn’t know about this’ message tells me all I need to know.

I’m not sure what post you read, but it sure wasn’t mine.

Throwing others under the bus seems to be becoming a trademark of TBH ‘leadership’. If it were my organisation I would be demoting those involved immediately, but that is obviously difficult to do if they’re acting under the orders of their superiors...

Pick a story. Are they throwing the involved members under the bus? Or are they not doing enough?
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Postby Nova Vandalia » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:49 am

Also isn't it just a tad hypocritical to get upset about WA Regional sovereignty and then use this issue to bully and shame other regions and nations into voting how you want them to in the WA, and making them out to be against Sovereignty if they don't. Especially considering none of this has to do with the merit of the actually SC resolution?
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Postby Sandaoguo » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:51 am

A Bloodred Moon wrote:Besides, if you consider TBH a foreign enemy anyway, why is it shocking that they took action?


This is such a mystifying way to think about a violation of sovereignty, and not because it's some enlightened or transcended wisdom. It's literally nonsensical. TBH is an enemy, therefore we should a) not be surprised when they violate our sovereignty and b) not do or say anything about it. The way some of you think is just... very interesting. TBH (and other raiders) are allowed to do whatever they want, and their targets (defenders and innocent regions) aren't allowed to get angry about it, because of course TBH is going to behave this way. And you think that speaks well of TBH and ill of TSP. Hm.
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Postby Qvait » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:35 pm

I agree wholeheartedly with the statement made above this post.
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A Bloodred Moon
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:44 pm

Sandaoguo wrote:TBH is an enemy, therefore we should a) not be surprised when they violate our sovereignty and b) not do or say anything about it.

I am unsure where you read b), so I’m not sure who you’re talking to. Defenders might decide for natives what they want, but I’m afraid the same does not apply to debates or discussions.

The way some of you think is just... very interesting. TBH (and other raiders) are allowed to do whatever they want, and their targets (defenders and innocent regions) aren't allowed to get angry about it, because of course TBH is going to behave this way.

Once more, not what I said. Do you expect everyone you openly regard as enemies and who you have previously spied on not to take action in return?

And you think that speaks well of TBH and ill of TSP. Hm.

Your mind-reading skills need some work. I merely remarked that TSP’s wording of their statement was odd.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:13 pm

Daytime to Night wrote:The only ones who are pretending this is nothing all have a strategic interest in burying this, and we shouldn’t let them.


then what's my strategic interest, NuCo? legitimately wondering. :p

edit: my point in asking is to show there are those of us who think this is being overstated / dramatized, that don't have any ulterior motive. like me! saying that everyone that believes that has a strategic interest in burying this is tinfoil-hat level stuff.
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Postby King HEM » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:31 pm

Daytime to Night wrote:
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Just a few rogue individuals acting on their own volition again? Of course :roll:


One thing I will say tangentially: When it comes to denying organized attempts to subvert and infiltrate regions as a "few rogue individuals acting on their own volition", Numero is indeed the expert. :P
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Postby The Python » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:27 pm

I'm not surprised.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:46 pm

did you have to quote the entire statement, just to say that?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:15 pm

Daytime to Night wrote:Jakker has already been actively lobbying people to approve this proposal as a means to troll 10000 Islands, remarkable conduct for a forum moderator.

Accusations of moderator misconduct/rulebreaking do not belong in some points-scoring Gameplay drama. I'm sure you will be able to provide evidence and a proper report of this alleged misconduct to the site staff and admins via the Getting Help page.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:34 pm

2020 has obviously been a slow year, if this is what it takes to create Gameplay drama.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:21 am

Aleister wrote:I feel like I'm in a fever dream.
Since when do raiders apologize to defenders for messing with defenders...
Also, this is about two puppets voting on a resolution? ~210 nations from TSP have voted on the resolution. Am I genuinely misinterpreting this post or is this really all about thinking two puppets (or let's say even if they had evidence of 10 puppets) could manipulate the voting in TSP in their favor? What? Is there something I'm missing about how the OWL system works maybe?
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This.

I have no idea why, of all the things you folks (TBH) could have apologized for doing over the years, this is the thing you decided to apologize for doing -- something you didn't do, the actions of apparently two or three rogue members, which would have had a negligible effect on TSP's WA voting. And TSP is an explicitly defender region that is and will always be opposed to TBH no matter what you do, no matter how saintly you portray yourselves or how many years you continue trying to portray yourselves as the white knights of raiding. Defenders aren't going to like y'all any better for it.

It's ridiculous. And you made me come back to agree with Aleister. Shame on y'all.

On a separate note, I'd just like to say to Twobagger that I didn't really get to know you much, but from what I understand you were deserving of commendation. Don't sweat the fact you didn't get one. It just means the peanut gallery who hoard power in artificially inflated regions and do nothing worthwhile with it know you're better than them at this game and they're jealous, and honestly that should be commendation enough for you.

I do feel a little bad for Jakker, this seems to keep happening to him. :P Hang in there Jakker!

To conclude, please leave white knight raiding in 2020 and stop apologizing for being good at what you do. Your members shouldn't have been reprimanded, they should have been applauded for showing some initiative, and perhaps even promoted. TSP is just another founderless region. Raid it.

Happy holidays y'all!
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Postby Varanius » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:38 am

You pop up a lot for someone who’s supposed to be gone, Cormac :P
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:52 am

Varanius wrote:You pop up a lot for someone who’s supposed to be gone, Cormac :P

Eh, once every few months. Only when I see something so absurd I can't resist. But I'm off again, see y'all sometime in the spring probably! :lol:

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Postby RiderSyl » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:33 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Happy holidays y'all!

you too Cormac! :)
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Postby Witchcraft and Sorcery » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:05 am

Ah, Cormac. Good to see you still spouting nonsense. :P

Happy holidays friends.


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Postby Born before my mom on september 38th » Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:09 am

Lol, happy holidays Cormac :)

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:55 pm

Witchcraft and Sorcery wrote:Ah, Cormac. Good to see you still spouting nonsense. :P

Happy holidays friends.


Au contraire I thought Cormac made a lot of sense, in fact pretty much spot on. Nice to see you back Cormac, even if only for a short while.
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:07 pm

Whoever runs to Cormac, tempting them with the juice of the day should be ashamed of themselves. Of course, if a retired player still peruses the forum, looking for a reason to jump back into the fray; they should be ashamed of themselves.

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Postby Wymondham » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:21 pm

Happy holidays, C :)
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:53 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Au contraire I thought Cormac made a lot of sense, in fact pretty much spot on. .

Cormactopia Prime wrote:TSP TWP is just another founderless region. Raid it.

If he'd made that change I doubt you'd be so agreeable :blush:

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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:44 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Au contraire I thought Cormac made a lot of sense, in fact pretty much spot on. .

Cormactopia Prime wrote:TSP TWP is just another founderless region. Raid it.

If he'd made that change I doubt you'd be so agreeable :blush:

Go away Cormac

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:09 pm

Aleister wrote:I feel like I'm in a fever dream.
Since when do raiders apologize to defenders for messing with defenders...
Also, this is about two puppets voting on a resolution? ~210 nations from TSP have voted on the resolution. Am I genuinely misinterpreting this post or is this really all about thinking two puppets (or let's say even if they had evidence of 10 puppets) could manipulate the voting in TSP in their favor? What? Is there something I'm missing about how the OWL system works maybe?
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Politics. 100%. I'm honestly sad to see that the once premier raider region has stooped to petty politicking and kowtowing, really making them no different than the Imperialists we all used to deride.

Why are they apologizing? Their members committed hostilities against a treatied ally of numerous military partners of theirs. TBH basically can't survive without the updaters and pilers from unaligned militaries that they rely on.

Instead of being the raiders we all know and love (or hate), they're walking on eggshells to make sure they can stay above water.
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Postby Vetelo » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:33 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Aleister wrote:I feel like I'm in a fever dream.
Since when do raiders apologize to defenders for messing with defenders...
Also, this is about two puppets voting on a resolution? ~210 nations from TSP have voted on the resolution. Am I genuinely misinterpreting this post or is this really all about thinking two puppets (or let's say even if they had evidence of 10 puppets) could manipulate the voting in TSP in their favor? What? Is there something I'm missing about how the OWL system works maybe?
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Politics. 100%. I'm honestly sad to see that the once premier raider region has stooped to petty politicking and kowtowing, really making them no different than the Imperialists we all used to deride.

Why are they apologizing? Their members committed hostilities against a treatied ally of numerous military partners of theirs. TBH basically can't survive without the updaters and pilers from unaligned militaries that they rely on.

Instead of being the raiders we all know and love (or hate), they're walking on eggshells to make sure they can stay above water.

I never thought I'd agree with something Tim said, but here we are.. :lol2: Long gone are the days of ostentatiously displayed GCR coups. I find it quite sad, really. Imagine the drama that would unfold if something like this had backing of the council and came to fruition!!
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Postby Comfed » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:31 am

To be fully honest, if I were on the Council of Hawks the only thing I’d be mad about is that the people who did it didn’t have permission. Or are regions dedicated to raiding afraid to make enemies now?

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