Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Monarchs, upon taking the throne, should immediately abolish the monarchy and abdicate.
No Kings, No Emperors.
Instead career politicians who only care about their party and whichever companies/unions are paying them.
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by SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:00 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Monarchs, upon taking the throne, should immediately abolish the monarchy and abdicate.
No Kings, No Emperors.
by Alternamerica » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:01 am
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:06 am
Alternamerica wrote:Should they exist, it's only for ceremonial/cultural reasons but should have as little say in governance as possible. Monarchies are remnants of a bygone era. With the advent of modern education and mass communication, a more networked, educated society is better at running things on a local level than what a Monarch can ever dream of
My statement also applies to authoritarian and oligopolistic Republics
by Exalted Inquellian State » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:08 am
by Alternamerica » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:09 am
SD_Film Artists wrote:Alternamerica wrote:Should they exist, it's only for ceremonial/cultural reasons but should have as little say in governance as possible. Monarchies are remnants of a bygone era. With the advent of modern education and mass communication, a more networked, educated society is better at running things on a local level than what a Monarch can ever dream of
My statement also applies to authoritarian and oligopolistic Republics
Republics aren't exactly new either.
by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:09 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Monarchs, upon taking the throne, should immediately abolish the monarchy and abdicate.
No Kings, No Emperors.
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:10 am
by Exalted Inquellian State » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:11 am
by Old Tyrannia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:13 am
by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:14 am
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:16 am
by The Hellas Planitia Territories » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:17 am
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:17 am
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:18 am
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Alternamerica wrote:
Never said they were. Republicanism is more adaptable to changing environments than Monarchies
The only downside to dictatorship systems monarchist or not, is that if you give people an education, they'll realize your rule is not absolute. This realization causes tension between the monarch and people, so even if your a good leader who knows whats best for his citizens, actively educating the populace will convince folks that your rule is not in fact absolute. And probably oust you for a republic.
Is a republic more adaptable? No, but it aligns its interests with the people. A politician is someone who argues for a role, arguing that their policies are for the peoples best interest. A monarch needs to make no argument, for his rule is law, so long as he isn't overthrown.
by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:20 am
Nakena wrote:It's kinda telling that the concept of monarchy here is exclusively viewed in an modern european context.
by Phaenix » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:21 am
by The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:30 am
by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:35 am
The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:Imagine starting this thread without setting forth definitions for reign and govern.
That said, I think it can be guessed what OP meant. A reigning monarch holds a mostly ceremonial office, and is in essence a figurehead, while a governing monarch holds absolute or at least tangible power. (A better prompt for this discussion would be, "Absolute or Limited Monarchy?".)
I am actually a proponent of autocracy; but monarchy is one of my least favorite forms of it. This is solely because of hereditary succession. There is no guarantee that the son of a great ruler will be half as great as his father. History is littered with examples. It's almost as if you're rolling up a new Dungeons and Dragons character every time the monarch dies; and, just as great men are few amongst the total population, so are truly great monarchs few amongst monarchies. For every Sun King you get five or six bumbling forgettables, maybe even a Charles II if you're unlucky...
Obviously the problem of incest can be mitigated in modern times, but still. There's no guarantee that the ruler will have the forethought to rear his heir to be a suitable successor to the throne, and placing the fate of one's nation on what is essentially the roll of a die is not an excellent system of governance.
Of course, this is, to a certain extent, a problem with all autocracies; but it can be alleviated by systems which allow the most capable to seize power, rather than passing it down from father to son.
Therefore, if there is to be a monarch at all, consign him to reigning, holding no real power over his nation. Governing should be left to autocrats who have earned power, rather than inherited it.
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:37 am
by Old Tyrannia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:40 am
Nakena wrote:It's kinda telling that the concept of monarchy here is exclusively viewed in an modern european context.
by Debate Proxy 1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:41 am
The Hellas Planitia Territories wrote:I believe that monarchs should not, and should never have existed! Power should never be concentrated in such extreme amounts for such long periods of time. All monarchs should abdicate, or be overthrown, and democratic republics established in their wake.
by Greater Cosmicium » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:42 am
Deus Ignis wrote:This thread is about how monarchs should act while in power. Now lets begin:
I believe that monarchs should reign, not govern, and point the nation into one general direction, while the lords and elected/appointed commoners work out the smaller details.
So lets debate NS!
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by The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:45 am
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Tbf, even the roman empire had issues of succession, and they designated heirs instead of it simply being hereditary. They even got some real shit emperors in power at times.
by Debate Proxy 1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:47 am
Greater Cosmicium wrote:Deus Ignis wrote:This thread is about how monarchs should act while in power. Now lets begin:
I believe that monarchs should reign, not govern, and point the nation into one general direction, while the lords and elected/appointed commoners work out the smaller details.
So lets debate NS!
Monarchies are an outdated concept that belong in the medieval ages; the world has moved beyond the need for them. An absolute monarch can't properly make decisions for an entire nation, even a small one, since they can't possibly know the desired policies of each section of the population (also they never properly make decisions, because, y'know, personal enrichment and gaining support of your nobility, damn the commoners), while a constitutional monarch has many of the same issues (the monarchs of many constitutional monarchies still decide whether a law passes or not after it's been passed in more "democratic" government chambers), except they're less powerful.
Only the common people truly know what policy they align with and what they want (or don't want) as leader and what government to have, not monarchs, "elected" "representatives" that never end up representing the people, or other ruling people of similar type.
TLDR: They should do neither. Down with the monarchy! Long live the worker's republic!
Sorry for the possibly incoherent ramble, I'm not used to writing such opinions.
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