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Postby Vassenor » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:50 am

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So that's a no, they didn't know any of that at the time.

Lol what? I just said it was clear he was about to be beaten to death to anyone around at the time


Was it though? Keeping in mind how adamant people were that a coke bottle in a bag was a lit molotov cocktail.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:50 am

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That's my view as well. Warnock is a formidable candidate while Loeffler is a lightweight but wealthy WNBA Basketball team owner. Reportedly the richest person in Congress. Hard for her to make any case she serves the people. Lousy job she's done so far.

Perdue will be tougher to unseat but it's possible. Ossoff will need total turnout all across the Dem/independent spectrum.

I think Ossoff could pull it off. I wouldnt underestimate him.


Yeah, he could and I wouldn't doubt your word on GA politics considering you called GA for Biden a week out. Credit due. :)

Ossoff has a steeper hill to climb versus the likes of Perdue. However, it's within the realm of possibility.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:51 am

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So that's a no, they didn't know any of that at the time.

Lol what? I just said it was clear he was about to be beaten to death to anyone around at the time

You were asked what the police knew at the time and didn't respond with anything about what the police knew at the time. You're being asked about the police and keep talking about antifa. The point originally being made is that the police treat white, far-right criminals with a soft touch, and instead of addressing that point you keep defending the actions of Rittenhouse.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:53 am

Jerzylvania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I think Ossoff could pull it off. I wouldnt underestimate him.


Yeah, he could and I wouldn't doubt your word on GA politics considering you called GA for Biden a week out. Credit due. :)

Ossoff has a steeper hill to climb versus the likes of Perdue. However, it's within the realm of possibility.

Thank you for the credit. I appreciate it.

He does but its likely Georgia Democrats are now emboldened and will turn out in the runoff. Georgia is going to become the center of the political world for the next two months.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:53 am

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True. So perhaps his first task should be a bipartisan reform of the US election system so that in 4 years you actually can elect someone decent.

and change it to what?


That's up to you lot. But with the current system you are stuck- every election will be 50-50, with, to use the prophetic words of southpark, "a giant douche and a turd sandwich" as only options.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:54 am

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I direct you to Kenosha where cops were hanging out with Rittenhouse and thanking him for being there, and then after he shot people he walked right past the cops and wasn't even detained.


Again, he was defending property and he was defending himself against two guys who jumped him. And they were a Pedo and a Communist, hardly a loss.

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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:56 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Lol what? I just said it was clear he was about to be beaten to death to anyone around at the time

You were asked what the police knew at the time and didn't respond with anything about what the police knew at the time. You're being asked about the police and keep talking about antifa. The point originally being made is that the police treat white, far-right criminals with a soft touch, and instead of addressing that point you keep defending the actions of Rittenhouse.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:57 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and change it to what?


That's up to you lot. But with the current system you are stuck- every election will be 50-50, with, to use the prophetic words of southpark, "a giant douche and a turd sandwich" as only options.

Your the one who made the suggestion so how about you give a proposal for how you'd change it?

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Postby Powiki Totas » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:01 am

Zurkerx wrote:the balance of the Senate now comes down to Georgia-

Is it bringing the devil? :p

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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:01 am

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Again, he was defending property and he was defending himself against two guys who jumped him. And they were a Pedo and a Communist, hardly a loss.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:04 am

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You were asked what the police knew at the time and didn't respond with anything about what the police knew at the time. You're being asked about the police and keep talking about antifa. The point originally being made is that the police treat white, far-right criminals with a soft touch, and instead of addressing that point you keep defending the actions of Rittenhouse.

I will defend his actions as I defend all correct and justified actions

His actions are, as I literally just explained, beside the point.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:05 am

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Farnhamia wrote:*** Warned for trolling ***

Condoning the extra-judicial killing of people you disapprove of.

There’s an ongoing legal case and no verdict has been made

Why do you think that makes a difference?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:06 am

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That's my view as well. Warnock is a formidable candidate while Loeffler is a lightweight but wealthy WNBA Basketball team owner. Reportedly the richest person in Congress. Hard for her to make any case she serves the people. Lousy job she's done so far.

Perdue will be tougher to unseat but it's possible. Ossoff will need total turnout all across the Dem/independent spectrum.

I think Ossoff could pull it off. I wouldnt underestimate him.

No he can’t. He’s already down 4 points according to the latest poll with nearly no one undecided.

Warnock trails Loeffler by 1 point but there’s 3% undecided. Purdue will win and Warnock will become the first democrat to represent georgia in decades
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:06 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I think Ossoff could pull it off. I wouldnt underestimate him.

No he can’t. He’s already down 4 points according to the latest poll with nearly no one undecided.

Warnock trails Loeffler by 1 point but there’s 3% undecided. Purdue will win and Warnock will become the first democrat to represent georgia in decades


I dont trust polls at all anymore.

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:07 am

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Thermodolia wrote:No he can’t. He’s already down 4 points according to the latest poll with nearly no one undecided.

Warnock trails Loeffler by 1 point but there’s 3% undecided. Purdue will win and Warnock will become the first democrat to represent georgia in decades


I dont trust polls at all anymore.


We need a poll of how many people don't trust polls anymore.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:07 am

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San Lumen wrote:I think Ossoff could pull it off. I wouldnt underestimate him.


Yeah, he could and I wouldn't doubt your word on GA politics considering you called GA for Biden a week out. Credit due. :)

Ossoff has a steeper hill to climb versus the likes of Perdue. However, it's within the realm of possibility.

I’ve been saying Biden will win Georgia for a month and I still said I don’t think Ossoff will win in a run off
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:09 am

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Thermodolia wrote:No he can’t. He’s already down 4 points according to the latest poll with nearly no one undecided.

Warnock trails Loeffler by 1 point but there’s 3% undecided. Purdue will win and Warnock will become the first democrat to represent georgia in decades


I dont trust polls at all anymore.

The polls where highly accurate. Georgia was neck and neck in pretty much every poll, so was PA. Florida is the only state that they flubbed it
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:11 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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I dont trust polls at all anymore.

The polls where highly accurate. Georgia was neck and neck in pretty much every poll, so was PA. Florida is the only state that they flubbed it

Biden was over 50 percent in almost every Wisconsin and Michigan poll yet somehow didnt get it. What did they miss? Collins never led a single poll yet somehow won?

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Postby Powiki Totas » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:11 am

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:*** Warned for trolling ***

Condoning the extra-judicial killing of people you disapprove of.

There’s an ongoing legal case and no verdict has been made

People were killed without a trial. It’s an extra-judicial killing however you look at it. The question is, felony murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, or justifiable homicide?

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No he can’t. He’s already down 4 points according to the latest poll with nearly no one undecided.

Warnock trails Loeffler by 1 point but there’s 3% undecided. Purdue will win and Warnock will become the first democrat to represent georgia in decades


I dont trust polls at all anymore.

Four years of explanations about how the polls weren't wrong and in any case aren't meant to predict the future and you're still here saying the polls were wrong because they didn't predict the future.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:13 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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I dont trust polls at all anymore.

The polls where highly accurate. Georgia was neck and neck in pretty much every poll, so was PA. Florida is the only state that they flubbed it


No, that isn't true. In MI and WI, polls aggregated Biden ahead by about 8 points, and by about 5-6 aggregate in PA.

The Rust Belt was off once again.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:13 am

Ifreann wrote:
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I dont trust polls at all anymore.

Four years of explanations about how the polls weren't wrong and in any case aren't meant to predict the future and you're still here saying the polls were wrong because they didn't predict the future.

Yet they got several states completely wrong again. Why should I put any stock in them anymore?

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:14 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The polls where highly accurate. Georgia was neck and neck in pretty much every poll, so was PA. Florida is the only state that they flubbed it

Biden was over 50 percent in almost every Wisconsin and Michigan poll yet somehow didnt get it. What did they miss? Collins never led a single poll yet somehow won?

What was the margin of error for those polls in Wisconsin and Michigan? Polls aren’t supposed to be an exact thing they are there to give you an idea of how things are going. Don’t expect them to be 100% the same.

And not leading in a poll means nothing when the margin of error is 3.5% and the challenger is leading by 2%

The polls tightened a lot in the last week before the elections, I don’t think you noticed that
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:16 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The polls where highly accurate. Georgia was neck and neck in pretty much every poll, so was PA. Florida is the only state that they flubbed it


No, that isn't true. In MI and WI, polls aggregated Biden ahead by about 8 points, and by about 5-6 aggregate in PA.

The Rust Belt was off once again.

The race did tighten significantly in the last few weeks so I wonder if the aggregates accounted for that?
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