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by Nihon no Tengoku » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:09 pm
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by Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:22 pm
Nihon no Tengoku wrote:With all due respect, you've essentially written a scenario in which no reasonable person would say "no, I won't stop the genocide of millions of people."
by Thermodolia » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:23 pm
by Thermodolia » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:25 pm
The New California Republic wrote:It depends what sort of government was in my own nation. If it was a dictatorship etc then a military coup could fix this, and then there could be an invasion of the genocidal nation with official sanction since I'd be the leader.
by Nihon no Tengoku » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:41 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Nihon no Tengoku wrote:With all due respect, you've essentially written a scenario in which no reasonable person would say "no, I won't stop the genocide of millions of people."
The scenarios I write are typically designed as social experiments.
In this case, the question is will you intervene to save lives unlawfully even knowing full well that you can be punished for it? It's not a hard decision for someone like myself to make, but the ultimate point of the question and the scenario isn't whether or not you'll do the right thing or not, but rather how selfish are you to avoid doing the right thing when it's at a personal cost to you?
No "reasonable" person, it can be argued, would throw millions of lives--of their own people, no less--away just to avoid possible jail time. But you'd be surprised how unreasonable some people can be.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:50 pm
Nihon no Tengoku wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The scenarios I write are typically designed as social experiments.
In this case, the question is will you intervene to save lives unlawfully even knowing full well that you can be punished for it? It's not a hard decision for someone like myself to make, but the ultimate point of the question and the scenario isn't whether or not you'll do the right thing or not, but rather how selfish are you to avoid doing the right thing when it's at a personal cost to you?
No "reasonable" person, it can be argued, would throw millions of lives--of their own people, no less--away just to avoid possible jail time. But you'd be surprised how unreasonable some people can be.
You're missing my point. If you wanted to make it more interesting, you should make the situation less clear cut. Right now, the only people who would go against the grain would be outliers, as you can see from the polling. This scenario is hardly the stuff of intense philosophical debate.
This is the equivalent if in the trolley problem, there was nobody on the other track. Obviously somebody would still refrain from pulling the lever, but that's hardly an interesting dilemma.
by Purpelia » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:26 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:No "reasonable" person, it can be argued, would throw millions of lives--of their own people, no less--away just to avoid possible jail time. But you'd be surprised how unreasonable some people can be.
by Labbos » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:46 pm
Nihon no Tengoku wrote:With all due respect, you've essentially written a scenario in which no reasonable person would say "no, I won't stop the genocide of millions of people."
by Nihon no Tengoku » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:51 pm
Labbos wrote:Nihon no Tengoku wrote:With all due respect, you've essentially written a scenario in which no reasonable person would say "no, I won't stop the genocide of millions of people."
How many tens of millions of lives would be lost during the civil war that rips your country apart once you do this? How many lives during the war on the other nation? Would the genocide be stopped in time? Would your army even win? What if another nation takes advantage to invade your country and genocide the people there? Would other nations be brought into the conflict, starting a wider and bloodier war? And what if someone disagreed with your decision but not the "might makes right" mentality, and chose to kill you and assume power? Assuming your country was a democracy before, what is the cost through the years of turning it into a military junta? After all, you have no mandate, so why should anybody obey any laws or rules in future?
And finally, why are the politicians taking no action? What do they know that you don't? What's going on behind the scenes of diplomacy?
This is not a scenario in which it's clear that one course of action is right. And if it's a democracy, general's are not the ones who should be making decisions on whether to invade sovereign nations.
Given the above, I would press through the proper channels, rather than giving up on the rule of law. I would also question why more isn't being done by the politicians.
by Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:59 pm
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by Picairn » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:14 pm
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by Hardscrab » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:20 pm
The New California Republic wrote:It depends what sort of government was in my own nation. If it was a dictatorship etc then a military coup could fix this, and then there could be an invasion of the genocidal nation with official sanction since I'd be the leader.
by Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:26 pm
by The Two Jerseys » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:33 pm
Picairn wrote:I will put an end to genocide, even if I may be court-martialed and stripped of my ranks and honours.
History will vindicate me! To arms! To arms!
by Plzen » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:59 pm
Purpelia wrote:-snip-
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