by Stylan » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:47 am
by The Reformed American Republic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:50 am
Stylan wrote:In 2015, a small movement, largely online, of internet trolls started to form. This was called the "Alt-Right." From sometime in late 2015 to Charlottesville in Summer 2017, the alt-right dominated Internet discourse. Leftists were suddenly considered "uncool" or "part of the system." (which wasn't true, but it was what many believed)
by No State Here » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:54 am
by Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:55 am
by Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:56 am
No State Here wrote:As bad as SJWs are, they’re just annoying. Tankies on the other hand are sympathizing for brutal regimes
by The Reformed American Republic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:57 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Tone down on the white privilege talk for one. It's hard to have working class unity when you keep accusing people who live in a box on the side of the road of being privileged.
The best there has ever been in this country is "white slight lessening of misfortune," but I don't believe there was ever white privilege, at least based on how I view privilege. Not having to drink from a separate water fountain but still being denied labor rights, abused by the police and forced to starve isnt really privilege.
by Honeydewistania » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:00 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Nuroblav » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:09 am
by Punished UMN » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:15 am
No State Here wrote:As bad as SJWs are, they’re just annoying. Tankies on the other hand are sympathizing for brutal regimes
by Ifreann » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:17 am
by Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:18 am
Ifreann wrote:I think leftists should just do leftism in whatever manner seems most effective in the circumstances they find themselves in, and not concern themselves with "The Image Of The Left".
by Stylan » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:21 am
Honeydewistania wrote:Why not vote for Joe Biden though, now that there’s no left wing candidate? Even Joe Biden is more left wing than Trump and Pence, and that’s saying something.
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Tone down on the white privilege talk for one. It's hard to have working class unity when you keep accusing people who live in a box on the side of the road of being privileged.
The best there has ever been in this country is "white slight lessening of misfortune," but I don't believe there was ever white privilege, at least based on how I view privilege. Not having to drink from a separate water fountain but still being denied labor rights, abused by the police and forced to starve isnt really privilege.
by -Ocelot- » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:32 am
No State Here wrote:As bad as SJWs are, they’re just annoying. Tankies on the other hand are sympathizing for brutal regimes
When you hear the word "leftist," what image do you conjure up in your mind? Is it a screaming, obnoxious, "SJW?"
by Ifreann » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:44 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Ifreann wrote:I think leftists should just do leftism in whatever manner seems most effective in the circumstances they find themselves in, and not concern themselves with "The Image Of The Left".
It's a balancing act. You don't wanna alienate people too much and risk becoming a fringe but you also don't wanna totally sell out.
by Sanghyeok » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:46 am
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Stylan » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:54 am
Ifreann wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
It's a balancing act. You don't wanna alienate people too much and risk becoming a fringe but you also don't wanna totally sell out.
You wanna do whatever it is you're doing. Unionise a workplace, thwart an eviction, disrupt a fascist conference, feed the homeless whatever. If you do that, but some graph plotting the statistical Image Of The Left ticks down, fuck it, you just made real people's lives better, that's all that matters. Don't play the mainstream politics game of chasing opinion polls, just do real shit as best you can. If the shit you're trying to do is communicate leftist ideas to people, then do that in whatever way seems like it will best help them understand whatever idea it is you're trying to get across, and tell them that that's what you're trying to do. Some sincerity will go a hell of a lot further than the market-tested, focus-grouped bullshit that comes out of the mouthpieces of billionaires.
But I'm just some weirdo who spends too much time on some weird internet forum, it's entirely possible, even likely, that I'm talking total shit.
by Chan Island » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:02 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Philjia » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:23 am
by Stylan » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:23 am
by The Blaatschapen » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:27 am
Stylan wrote:I also think, in a perverse way, Trump winning a second term will help the left. The more conservative the country gets, the more edgy the left seems, and the more likely it is to gain traction and win.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:29 am
Stylan wrote:I also think, in a perverse way, Trump winning a second term will help the left. The more conservative the country gets, the more edgy the left seems, and the more likely it is to gain traction and win.
by Chan Island » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:32 am
Philjia wrote:No more fucking dusty old theory written by nasty people, no more apologetics for oppressive states, emphasise opposition to capitalism based on real world consequences rather than esoteric philosophy, enthusiastic participation in the democratic process, focus on community organised solutions to problems over protest, and seduce the liberals by promoting market socialism or mutualism as a short term goal.
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Odreria » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:35 am
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by The Blaatschapen » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:35 am
Chan Island wrote:Philjia wrote:No more fucking dusty old theory written by nasty people, no more apologetics for oppressive states, emphasise opposition to capitalism based on real world consequences rather than esoteric philosophy, enthusiastic participation in the democratic process, focus on community organised solutions to problems over protest, and seduce the liberals by promoting market socialism or mutualism as a short term goal.
TRUE. Marx has been dead for over 100 years. It is long, long, long past time to get some new theorists up in here and come up with ideas that actually apply to the information age.
by Stylan » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:36 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:Stylan wrote:I also think, in a perverse way, Trump winning a second term will help the left. The more conservative the country gets, the more edgy the left seems, and the more likely it is to gain traction and win.
While I don't think that it is because of edginess that the left then will win, but rather that the democrats will have to resort to new ways of competing in elections, since two fairly moderate candidates did not manage to win against a right wing republican in a row.
And then it won't be the moderate Biden, nor the warhawk neoliberal Clinton, but finally a proper progressive as the candidate.
One can hope.
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Stylan wrote:I also think, in a perverse way, Trump winning a second term will help the left. The more conservative the country gets, the more edgy the left seems, and the more likely it is to gain traction and win.
If covid didn't happen, I would agree, but right now I'm trying not to die.
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