Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[The New California Republic]

This conflict needs to stay fucking stopped, so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again...

I'm not persuaded by what I'd call "boo hoo" stories. Perhaps civilians that're near the point of conflict should choose a side to fight on or assist, or make arrangements to leave for areas that're currently away from the front lines. War is war. I don't see it as a flaw that people happen to suffer some from a conflict.

What is more important is which side is winning and what battlefield manuvers are being done by both sides. Whoever advances further will win this.

it's pretty bad to victim blame a child that has been orphaned ngl...

[Salus Maior]

Guys, don't bother humoring Saiwania.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

This conflict needs to stay fucking stopped, so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again...

I'm not persuaded by what I'd call "boo hoo" stories. Perhaps civilians that're near the point of conflict should choose a side to fight on or assist, or make arrangements to leave for areas that're currently away from the front lines. War is war. I don't see it as a flaw that people happen to suffer some from a conflict.

What is more important is which side is winning and what battlefield manuvers are being done by both sides. Whoever advances further will win this.

You have to empathize with the kids there, their only crime is being a child

[Insaanistan]

“I saw those rockets and bombs shining in the sky
Like drops of rain in the sun's light
Taking away everyone dear to my heart
Destroying my dreams in a blink of an eye
Whatever happened to our human rights?
What happened to the sanctity of life?
And all those other lies?
I know that I’m only a child, but is your conscience still alive?“
-Maher Zain; Song: “Palestine Will Be Free”

[Salus Maior]

“I saw those rockets and bombs shining in the sky
Like drops of rain in the sun's light
Taking away everyone dear to my heart
Destroying my dreams in a blink of an eye
Whatever happened to our human rights?
What happened to the sanctity of life?
And all those other lies?
I know that I’m only a child, but is your conscience still alive?“
-Maher Zain; Song: “Palestine Will Be Free”

Another good example of an unjust territorial situation in which the international community does squat.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm not persuaded by what I'd call "boo hoo" stories. Perhaps civilians that're near the point of conflict should choose a side to fight on or assist, or make arrangements to leave for areas that're currently away from the front lines. War is war. I don't see it as a flaw that people happen to suffer some from a conflict.

What is more important is which side is winning and what battlefield manuvers are being done by both sides. Whoever advances further will win this.

You have to empathize with the kids there, their only crime is being a child

He doesn't. I'm pretty sure Sai once described himself as a sociopath and he doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he benefits.

It's sad and disgusting. Innocent people shouldn't have to die in a fucking meaningless war over ethnicity.

[Rio Cana]

Seems the war is not going well for the Armenians according to the following site which seems to be from Russia. They say Azeri ethnic Armenians have been leaving the towns in southern NK. has the Azeris advance and occupy those towns. They leave or risk being eliminated. Also, that the Azeris are heading toward that Lachin Corridor. If they capture that mountain pass then for all intended purposes NK. is lost. Some also say that the Armenian government has sold NK. for something in return.

Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI0kT330RDg

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Seems the war is not going well for the Armenians according to the following site which seems to be from Russia. They say Azeri ethnic Armenians have been leaving the towns in southern NK. has the Azeris advance and occupy those towns. They leave or risk being eliminated. Also, that the Azeris are heading toward that Lachin Corridor. If they capture that mountain pass then for all intended purposes NK. is lost. Some also say that the Armenian government has sold NK. for something in return.

Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI0kT330RDg

Thats what happens when America and Israel sell weapons to a genocidal regime so they can kill a long-persecuted minority.

Stay classy.

[Salus Maior]

Seems the war is not going well for the Armenians according to the following site which seems to be from Russia. They say Azeri ethnic Armenians have been leaving the towns in southern NK. has the Azeris advance and occupy those towns. They leave or risk being eliminated. Also, that the Azeris are heading toward that Lachin Corridor. If they capture that mountain pass then for all intended purposes NK. is lost. Some also say that the Armenian government has sold NK. for something in return.

Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI0kT330RDg

Well, hopefully it's not that bad.

[Punished UMN]

This conflict needs to stay fucking stopped, so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again...

I'm not persuaded by what I'd call "boo hoo" stories. Perhaps civilians that're near the point of conflict should choose a side to fight on or assist, or make arrangements to leave for areas that're currently away from the front lines. War is war. I don't see it as a flaw that people happen to suffer some from a conflict.

What is more important is which side is winning and what battlefield manuvers are being done by both sides. Whoever advances further will win this.

Why should we listen to you again? Aren't you a loser and a worthless person by your own admission?

[New Visayan Islands]

Thread locked pending trawl, please stand by.

It's more about whether a regime hits the same or similar beats as the historical Fascists rather than if they're ideologically pure Fascists.

That being said, iirc Mussolini did point to Ataturk's Turkey as an example of certain fascist concepts being successful.

Those who do not like Atatürk in the world are generally people with low education levels (Survey Studies). For example, political Islamists and people with Turkishphobia. We are no longer in the 20th century, we do not accept the imperial order as a nation. Armenian government supporters should be aware of this.

Yes. Will of the people is what makes countries legitimate. If a people do not wish to be ruled over by a nation then that nation has no business trying to force its rule over them. So coming back to Nagorno-Karabakh, the majority in the region don't want to be ruled by the Azeri. Therefore their claim is illegitimate in my eyes and they need to back off.

This is entirely your assumption, because the so-called referendum of the Armenian government did not include all people. that is why the so-called referendum they have made has no effect.

@Andsed My worries
1-Forcibly seizing Azerbaycan lands through religious ethnic nationalism by the government of Armenia
2-All the people did not participate in the elections
3-The voting rates are questionable

Questioning the educational background of Atatürk's critics at this point sounds more like a roundabout way of insulting their intelligence. Consider this a *** warning for trolling. ***

Everyone else, let's tone it down and get back on track, shall we?

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[Nuroblav]

He doesn't. I'm pretty sure Sai once described himself as a sociopath and he doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he benefits.

It's sad and disgusting. Innocent people shouldn't have to die in a fucking meaningless war over ethnicity.

I didn't think I'd understand the mentality of those that think they don't matter...and now I still don't.

I wonder if they'd think differently if they were in that position. Not saying they should be, rather what would happen if they took the time to think about it.

[Echellia]

I just hope this bloody conflict ends.

[Rio Cana]

I found another source which says Russia is using electronics to turn off those Turkish drones while in flight. Any Russian involvement does help Armenia. When it comes to Armenia vs. Azerbaijan, Armenia can handle itself. But throw in Turkey into the mix complicates things greatly for Armenia.

Source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B6hSTcIXxw

[Kowani]

Two major developments today.

Firstly, the Armenian PM says that "“There is no way now to settle the Nagorno-Karabakh issue through diplomacy,” and is asking for a massive volunteer surge.

Secondly, the US is getting diplomatically involved to try and broker a truce.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

America has received intelligence that there may be a terrorist attack on the American embassies in Istanbul and Baku. It comes to mind that the ASALA terrorist organization, which wants to disrupt Turkish-American relations, may have a plan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_by_ASALA

[The Restored Danelaw]

Two major developments today.

Firstly, the Armenian PM says that "“There is no way now to settle the Nagorno-Karabakh issue through diplomacy,” and is asking for a massive volunteer surge.

Secondly, the US is getting diplomatically involved to try and broker a truce.

I mean Armenia is correct. Under no circumstances should Baku -in particular, but really any Turkish-speaking Majority state in general- be allowed to put its hands on a place where there are any notable number of Armenians in. For Armenia, this isn't a war over territory or national resurgence. It's literally about life or death for a nation that's not just a victim of genocide but one that's yet to even have their genocide recognized by its culprits.

[Saiwania]

I mean Armenia is correct. Under no circumstances should Baku -in particular, but really any Turkish-speaking Majority state in general- be allowed to put its hands on a place where there are any notable number of Armenians in. For Armenia, this isn't a war over territory or national resurgence. It's literally about life or death for a nation that's not just a victim of genocide but one that's yet to even have their genocide recognized by its culprits.

Bah, that is just not the case; so long as Azerbaijan is limiting their invasion to Nagorno-Karabakh only and isn't pushing into the rest of Armenia. The solution in my eyes, is for the residents of Nagorno-Karabakh to voluntarily leave for Armenia proper if it is fate or destiny that Azerbaijan successfully annexes the territory from Azerbaijan winning this conflict.

Azerbaijan may've started hostilities, but it has by this point been verified for the most part- that this war is essentially about territory strictly speaking. It is to decide the fate of Nagorno-Karabakh and maybe to settle some old scores in relation to that.

If Azerbaijan wins, they gain land. If Armenia wins, it is national resurgence or a huge morale boost via being able to keep the status quo intact of them indirectly ruling over the territory. Thus far, it looks like Azerbaijan will win this. I'm not sure what Armenia could do to turn the tide, barring Russia siding with them and invading on their behalf.

The fact remains that Azerbaijan's military is performing better than Armenia's so far. Armenia may've won in 1994 but it looks like this time around, Azerbaijan is the stronger side now.

[Dakran]

I mean Armenia is correct. Under no circumstances should Baku -in particular, but really any Turkish-speaking Majority state in general- be allowed to put its hands on a place where there are any notable number of Armenians in. For Armenia, this isn't a war over territory or national resurgence. It's literally about life or death for a nation that's not just a victim of genocide but one that's yet to even have their genocide recognized by its culprits.

Bah, that is just not the case; so long as Azerbaijan is limiting their invasion to Nagorno-Karabakh only and isn't pushing into the rest of Armenia. The solution in my eyes, is for the residents of Nagorno-Karabakh to voluntarily leave for Armenia proper if it is fate or destiny that Azerbaijan successfully annexes the territory from Azerbaijan winning this conflict.

Azerbaijan may've started hostilities, but it has by this point been verified for the most part- that this war is essentially about territory strictly speaking. It is to decide the fate of Nagorno-Karabakh and maybe to settle some old scores in relation to that.

If Azerbaijan wins, they gain land. If Armenia wins, it is national resurgence or a huge morale boost via being able to keep the status quo intact of them indirectly ruling over the territory. Thus far, it looks like Azerbaijan will win this. I'm not sure what Armenia could do to turn the tide, barring Russia siding with them and invading on their behalf. The fact remains that Azerbaijan's military is performing better than Armenia's so far.

Telling people to leave their homeland is a godawful idea. Regardless of who owns the region, the citizens should be free to live their lives peacefully without being massacred by the local government. That's a crime against humanity at the very least, and not something that should be tolerated in any capacity EVER.

[Saiwania]

Telling people to leave their homeland is a godawful idea. Regardless of who owns the region, the citizens should be free to live their lives peacefully without being massacred by the local government. That's a crime against humanity at the very least, and not something that should be tolerated in any capacity EVER.

It is what is more logical for those people if Armenia loses the war and Azerbaijan manages to annex the territory by force. Why would they stay if they identify with Armenia more? If they stay, chances are Azerbaijan won't be good to them. Azerbaijan deserves the land more if they win in warfare over it. Just as Armenia could annex the non-continguous portion of Azerbaijan if they manage to do that.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Armenian Foreign Minister Spokesperson announced that Azerbaijan and Armenia agreed on a humanitarian ceasefire.I hope the Armenian government will learn to respect this ceasefire. In the future, the conditions for peace will only be the withdrawal of the Armenian occupation forces from the Azerbaijani territories and the Armenian government apologizing for the 30 years of persecution.

[Chan Island]

Armenian Foreign Minister Spokesperson announced that Azerbaijan and Armenia agreed on a humanitarian ceasefire.I hope the Armenian government will learn to respect this ceasefire. In the future, the conditions for peace will only be the withdrawal of the Armenian occupation forces from the Azerbaijani territories and the Armenian government apologizing for the 30 years of persecution.

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And what does Azerbaijan have to do to honour this ceasefire agreement?

[Salus Maior]

Two major developments today.

Firstly, the Armenian PM says that "“There is no way now to settle the Nagorno-Karabakh issue through diplomacy,” and is asking for a massive volunteer surge.

Secondly, the US is getting diplomatically involved to try and broker a truce.

Well, that's good that the rumors that the Armenian gov was going to sell-out Artsakh is false.

Hopefully there will be a return to the status quo...But that might be a bit too much to hope for.

[Salus Maior]

Armenian Foreign Minister Spokesperson announced that Azerbaijan and Armenia agreed on a humanitarian ceasefire.I hope the Armenian government will learn to respect this ceasefire. In the future, the conditions for peace will only be the withdrawal of the Armenian occupation forces from the Azerbaijani territories and the Armenian government apologizing for the 30 years of persecution.

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Persecution of who? There aren't any Azeris in Artsakh that I know of.

And what of Azerbaijan's persecution of Armenians? Do I need to repost that list for you again, or are you still in denial of reality?

[Luziyca]

The CBC has confirmed that Azerbaijan and Armenia have agreed on a new ceasefire.

Let's hope third time's the charm.