2020 French Terrorist Beheadings and Attacks Thread

[Ors Might]

A question: have you heard of cherry-picking
Dude every country that has the death penalty for apostasy is muslim

I’m aware. Do you guys have Muslim friends? If so, you’ll realize most of isn’t disapprove of most of the leaders of Muslim countries. There are reasons for that.

That Islam does not technically have any punishment for apostasy does not do much to remove the fact that apostasy does seem to be punished quite heavily in the Muslim world. And yeah, most Muslims one would meet in the West are not like this but simply saying “Islam does not do this” when Islamic countries do in fact do it rings hollow.

[Insaanistan]

I’m aware. Do you guys have Muslim friends? If so, you’ll realize most of isn’t disapprove of most of the leaders of Muslim countries. There are reasons for that.

Disapprove? That's rather soft language there for the perpetrators of the Yemeni Civil War, but hey, wouldn't want to offend anyone, would you? Meanwhile: https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/yemen-emergency.html

A humanitarian catastrophe is unfolding in Yemen, as millions flee their homes to escape a devastating conflict... Civilians bear the brunt of the crisis, with 22.2 million Yemenis now in need of humanitarian assistance. Those forced to flee their homes are especially at risk. 2 million people now languish in desperate conditions, away from home and deprived of basic needs. The situation is so dire that almost 1 million displaced Yemenis have lost hope and tried to return home, even though it is not yet safe. Yemen is facing a humanitarian catastrophe. Without help, many more lives will be lost to violence, treatable illnesses or lack of food, water and shelter.

I think that water's kind of vital to survival, am I wrong?

I apologize for using the word disapprove. You are right, the feeling is WAY stronger. Also, my heart goes out to Yemen. I frequently pray for them and have donated to them a couple times.

[-Ocelot-]

Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.

One thing about Stalin is that he kept terrorists in line. Chechnya wasn't revolting so much under his regime because the people knew that he would not play games with them. You have to use an iron fist to deal with people trying to force their religion on others. Perhaps labor camps are what is needed to deal with the troublemakers there. If you give certain people an inch, they try to take a mile.

Labor camps? No, never again. Let's not revive that system there, or anywhere else for that matter. It belongs to the past.

[Shofercia]

One thing about Stalin is that he kept terrorists in line. Chechnya wasn't revolting so much under his regime because the people knew that he would not play games with them. You have to use an iron fist to deal with people trying to force their religion on others. Perhaps labor camps are what is needed to deal with the troublemakers there. If you give certain people an inch, they try to take a mile.

If by "keeping in line" you mean "random ethnic cleansing, deportation and systematic mass terror, completely unrelated to wether or not the victims in question have even done anything", sure. The reason islamic terrorism in Chechnya wasn't a thing during Stalin's time was that it wasn't a thing anywhere.
Besides, allow me the to note the irony of praising the "anti-terrorist" measures of a man who was both a literal terrorist in his youth himself and who was the architect of a policy that went down in history as the Great Terror.

The Great Terror is a nickname given by propagandists to the Great Purge, which, while very atrocious, wasn't like modern terrorism. If you murder someone who's in the way of your promotion - yes, that's really atrocious, but it's not the same as wiping out an entire village because one girl refused to have sex with you.

[Shofercia]

One thing about Stalin is that he kept terrorists in line. Chechnya wasn't revolting so much under his regime because the people knew that he would not play games with them. You have to use an iron fist to deal with people trying to force their religion on others. Perhaps labor camps are what is needed to deal with the troublemakers there. If you give certain people an inch, they try to take a mile.

Labor camps? No, never again. Let's not revive that system there, or anywhere else for that matter. It belongs to the past.

So then you'd be against the prison system in California that Kamala Harris protected, right Ocelot?

https://www.newsweek.com/prison-slavery ... or-1093729

The protests have focused national attention on work conditions that prisoners call "prison slavery." Convicted criminals in government-run correctional facilities cook food, perform janitorial duties, wash laundry and conduct a range of other daily operations necessary for prisons to function.

The vast majority of the country's working prisoners, who do their jobs without labor protections, perform maintenance activities for their detainment facilities. But prisons throughout the country also function like factories, with inmates manufacturing myriad products that are sold to government agencies and, to a much lesser extent, nonprofits. Despite their labor, inmates receive little, if any compensation for their work. This cheap and unpaid workforce, experts say, allows correctional facilities to operate.

Free labor, little or no protections, a death rate higher than those infected by COVID-19, sounds like a labor camp to me!

https://prospect.org/justice/how-kamala ... locked-up/

As California attorney general, she spent years subverting a 2011 Supreme Court ruling requiring the state to reduce its prison population. The overseeing judicial panel nearly found the state in contempt of court... Working in tandem with Gov. Jerry Brown, Harris and her legal team filed motions that were condemned by judges and legal experts as obstructionist, bad-faith, and nonsensical, at one point even suggesting that the Supreme Court lacked the jurisdiction to order a reduction in California’s prison population.

Can't let go of that sweet, sweet, sweet prison labor. And since you're shocked about Labor Camps, Ocelot, as you say "never again" and you're not at all using a French Tragedy to take potshots at Russia, I'm sure that you'll be so appalled by this, Ocelot, that you'll vote and support a third party in November, right? After all, as you said - "Never Again!"

[The Two Jerseys]

If you’re saying that people shouldn’t be surprised when “disrespecting Islam” gets you decapitated, you are indirectly stating that not only should non-muslims disrespect Islam, they should be actively hostile to it. If Islam is so filled with rapid frothing extremists that non-muslims have to police their behavior around not only Muslims but other non-muslims or be at reasonable risk of being beheaded, then Islam is a threat to non-muslims. That is what you’re implying when you say that people shouldn’t be surprised when non-muslims get killed for not following Islamic laws like not showing depictions of Muhammed.

I guarantee the "don't be surprised when you get decapitated for disrespecting Islam" people will have a surprised Pikachu face when the angry mob starts lynching Muslims...

[The Hindustani State]

You never see Hindus or Buddhists decapitating people for offending them, why is it always only the muslims?

Who?

Let’s just say the same sort of people who run countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran

And Pakistan

[Insaanistan]

If you’re saying that people shouldn’t be surprised when “disrespecting Islam” gets you decapitated, you are indirectly stating that not only should non-muslims disrespect Islam, they should be actively hostile to it. If Islam is so filled with rapid frothing extremists that non-muslims have to police their behavior around not only Muslims but other non-muslims or be at reasonable risk of being beheaded, then Islam is a threat to non-muslims. That is what you’re implying when you say that people shouldn’t be surprised when non-muslims get killed for not following Islamic laws like not showing depictions of Muhammed.

I guarantee the "don't be surprised when you get decapitated for disrespecting Islam" people will have a surprised Pikachu face when the angry mob starts lynching Muslims...

Muslims in India get for existing in the wrong place at the wrong time, not being terrorists. I a a Muslim, so I MUST oppose the decapitations. Muhammad (pbuh) warned us of people like ISIS.

[Insaanistan]

You never see Hindus or Buddhists decapitating people for offending them, why is it always only the muslims?

Let’s just say the same sort of people who run countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran

And Pakistan

Yes you do. Buddhists are genociding Muslims in Burma and Hindus are lynching and beating and raping Muslims in India. We have BBC, you know.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You don't have to be a racist to understand that Islam itself as a belief system has major issues. That doesn't mean we should force Muslims to stop being Muslim or hate them, but Islam has alot of problematic material and frankly I think the world would be a better place if one day most Muslims left Islam and joined...no religion at all because any system that forces you to abandon your freedom and accept things without question.

Alas as a left wing libertarian I know it's likely that will never be the case for mankind.

[Insaanistan]

You don't have to be a racist to understand that Islam itself as a belief system has major issues. That doesn't mean we should force Muslims to stop being Muslim or hate them, but Islam has alot of problematic material and frankly I think the world would be a better place if one day most Muslims left Islam and joined...no religion at all because any system that forces you to abandon your freedom and accept things without question.

Alas as a left wing libertarian I know it's likely that will never be the case for mankind.

Definitely don’t agree with the “major issues” comment, but thank you for not suggesting we should be wiped from the face of the earth.

[Insaanistan]

You don't have to be a racist to understand that Islam itself as a belief system has major issues. That doesn't mean we should force Muslims to stop being Muslim or hate them, but Islam has alot of problematic material and frankly I think the world would be a better place if one day most Muslims left Islam and joined...no religion at all because any system that forces you to abandon your freedom and accept things without question.

Alas as a left wing libertarian I know it's likely that will never be the case for mankind.

Definitely don’t agree with the “major issues” comment, but thank you for not suggesting we should be wiped from the face of the earth.

[The Huskar Social Union]

You don't have to be a racist to understand that Islam itself as a belief system has major issues. That doesn't mean we should force Muslims to stop being Muslim or hate them, but Islam has alot of problematic material and frankly I think the world would be a better place if one day most Muslims left Islam and joined...no religion at all because any system that forces you to abandon your freedom and accept things without question.

Alas as a left wing libertarian I know it's likely that will never be the case for mankind.

I agree.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You never see Hindus or Buddhists decapitating people for offending them, why is it always only the muslims?


And Pakistan

Yes you do. Buddhists are genociding Muslims in Burma and Hindus are lynching and beating and raping Muslims in India. We have BBC, you know.

The difference is that Buddhism isn't encouraging it. Islam has encouraged violence before, whereas the 969 movement is just the usual southeast Asian fascism.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

You never see Hindus or Buddhists decapitating people for offending them, why is it always only the muslims?

Cow vigilantes kill people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_vigil ... e_in_India

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You don't have to be a racist to understand that Islam itself as a belief system has major issues. That doesn't mean we should force Muslims to stop being Muslim or hate them, but Islam has alot of problematic material and frankly I think the world would be a better place if one day most Muslims left Islam and joined...no religion at all because any system that forces you to abandon your freedom and accept things without question.

Alas as a left wing libertarian I know it's likely that will never be the case for mankind.

I agree.

Like why can a muslim man marry non Muslim women but it's haram for a Muslim woman to marry a non Muslim man?

I dated two Muslims as a teen. If I wanted to marry one of them (one of them was a junkie and the other was a sociopath so I ended up not wanting em around me at all), Islam would be like "no, fuck you, we don't want you taking our women." That's dumb. It's sexist and it's archaic for the modern era.

[Nuroblav]

You don't have to be a racist to understand that Islam itself as a belief system has major issues. That doesn't mean we should force Muslims to stop being Muslim or hate them, but Islam has alot of problematic material and frankly I think the world would be a better place if one day most Muslims left Islam and joined...no religion at all because any system that forces you to abandon your freedom and accept things without question.

Alas as a left wing libertarian I know it's likely that will never be the case for mankind.

Another left libertarian here and I'll agree. There's a quite a bit I'm not a fan of, but to be honest this goes with a lot of religions and that doesn't mean we should shitting on people for it solely because they have that religion.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You never see Hindus or Buddhists decapitating people for offending them, why is it always only the muslims?

Cow vigilantes kill people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_vigil ... e_in_India

When someone accidentally drops a blade of grass on your cow, so you jump in your A10 warthog and straife their house, killing their entire family.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

A question: have you heard of cherry-picking
Dude every country that has the death penalty for apostasy is muslim

I’m aware. Do you guys have Muslim friends? If so, you’ll realize most of isn’t disapprove of most of the leaders of Muslim countries. There are reasons for that.

Most of my Muslim friends are as Muslim as my grandma is catholic. They're Muslim cause their parents were and they may go to a mosque for Ramadan but its more cultural than anything and they probably don't think about religion 99% of the time.

Many of them have done things that would be highly haram anyhow.

[Major-Tom]

Terrifying to even think about, that a teacher can be beheaded for offending his classroom.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Although I condemn this crime against a teacher, I hope the French can discern between this type of criminal who happens to be Muslim and their regular law abiding Muslim neighbors.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Although I condemn this crime against a teacher, I hope the French can discern between this type of criminal who happens to be Muslim and their regular law abiding Muslim neighbors.

Some can. Some won't. It's unfortunate that society likes collective punishment but it happens. Imagine being Arab american after 9/11.

[Insaanistan]

Yes you do. Buddhists are genociding Muslims in Burma and Hindus are lynching and beating and raping Muslims in India. We have BBC, you know.

The difference is that Buddhism isn't encouraging it. Islam has encouraged violence before, whereas the 969 movement is just the usual southeast Asian fascism.

Uh, no. Islam doesn’t encourage violence.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Although I condemn this crime against a teacher, I hope the French can discern between this type of criminal who happens to be Muslim and their regular law abiding Muslim neighbors.

Some can. Some won't. It's unfortunate that society likes collective punishment but it happens. Imagine being Arab american after 9/11.

That’s precisely what I’m thinking about, the behavior of some Americans against Muslims right after 9/11 and how your president had to come out and ask the citizenry to calm their tits. That shouldn’t happen in France too, but I’m afraid it may.

[Kowani]

The difference is that Buddhism isn't encouraging it. Islam has encouraged violence before, whereas the 969 movement is just the usual southeast Asian fascism.

Uh, no. Islam doesn’t encourage violence.

Muhammad would disagree