Sundiata wrote:I've updated the poll everyone.
You have the "It should be legal to buy sex but illegal to sell sex, let me explain why." option listed twice.
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by Torisakia » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:39 pm
Sundiata wrote:I've updated the poll everyone.
by The Reformed American Republic » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:39 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:42 pm
Senkaku wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'm personally against legalizing it because of the whole slew of issues that impact sex workers (worse mental health, generally lower quality of life etc etc) and the difficulties it raises in integrating those people into wider society. I have no academic sources on the latter but just from talking with current and former sex workers they pretty unanimously said it's difficult to hold friendships, relationships, form new careers etc etc.
Ideally we'd try and reach a point where people don't need to sell themselves to survive because that's capitalism distilled down to its most basic and disgusting form.
Lots of jobs impact people’s mental health and quality of life, and most jobs today are literally selling your body to survive. What do you think a Walgreens cashier or an Amazon warehouse worker or a hospital temperature checker is doing, if not selling use of their body for a period of time?
If sex work were legal and sex workers could safely conduct their business, live openly, and be assured of health and safety like most other wage laborers, perhaps the problems they face would be a bit less acute.
by Senkaku » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:43 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Kowani wrote:Wonder if the Christian position on sex and the influence of that onto greater societal moral standards have anything to do with that...
It's not just the Christian position on sex that sex should be exclusive to their partners.
The fact of the matter is that having to sell one's body to live is capitalist exploitation boiled down to its most basic.
Punished UMN wrote:Senkaku wrote:Lots of jobs impact people’s mental health and quality of life, and most jobs today are literally selling your body to survive. What do you think a Walgreens cashier or an Amazon warehouse worker or a hospital temperature checker is doing, if not selling use of their body for a period of time?
If sex work were legal and sex workers could safely conduct their business, live openly, and be assured of health and safety like most other wage laborers, perhaps the problems they face would be a bit less acute.
If sex work is legalized, will sex workers have to follow the same regulations as all other businesses?
by Punished UMN » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:45 pm
Senkaku wrote:Punished UMN wrote:It's not just the Christian position on sex that sex should be exclusive to their partners.
The fact of the matter is that having to sell one's body to live is capitalist exploitation boiled down to its most basic.
The reasonable answer here seems to be to deal with the short term problems created by living under capitalist exploitation (i.e. legalize sex work), while working to end capitalism, rather than making people as miserable as possible now, while doing very little about the future.Punished UMN wrote:If sex work is legalized, will sex workers have to follow the same regulations as all other businesses?
What do you mean? Like, no defrauding your clients, pay your workers, no murder? Or are we talking about the maximum legal amount of silicone lube residue that can be discharged into the plumbing of a six-story building that meets seismic requirements but falls short of updated 2023 version 2 thermal efficiency requirements for windows?
If it’s the former, my answer is just yeah. They’d operate like normal businesses. If it’s the latter, I’m in bed on my phone, and I’m not going to write you a full regulatory statute establishing the Bureau of Sex Work Regulation.
by The Reformed American Republic » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:46 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Senkaku wrote:Lots of jobs impact people’s mental health and quality of life, and most jobs today are literally selling your body to survive. What do you think a Walgreens cashier or an Amazon warehouse worker or a hospital temperature checker is doing, if not selling use of their body for a period of time?
If sex work were legal and sex workers could safely conduct their business, live openly, and be assured of health and safety like most other wage laborers, perhaps the problems they face would be a bit less acute.
There's a pretty big difference between being a cashier and being a prostitute lol, c'mon now. The latter is inherently magnitudes of order more exploitive.
I don't think they ever could live openly is the problem. Even amongst the younger generation in the States, look at all the vitriol and hatred sex workers get online. Our culture is simply not one that will accept these people at this point in time, fully legalizing it would just make them bigger targets. There's also the problem of the already existing legal sex work industries like porn being shady as fuck and regularly manipulating people and ruining lives for a profit. Maybe it's just cuz of my continual drive leftwards economically but I'm not fond of giving that industry even more people to trample over.
by Senkaku » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:46 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Senkaku wrote:Lots of jobs impact people’s mental health and quality of life, and most jobs today are literally selling your body to survive. What do you think a Walgreens cashier or an Amazon warehouse worker or a hospital temperature checker is doing, if not selling use of their body for a period of time?
If sex work were legal and sex workers could safely conduct their business, live openly, and be assured of health and safety like most other wage laborers, perhaps the problems they face would be a bit less acute.
There's a pretty big difference between being a cashier and being a prostitute lol, c'mon now. The latter is inherently magnitudes of order more exploitive.
I don't think they ever could live openly is the problem. Even amongst the younger generation in the States, look at all the vitriol and hatred sex workers get online. Our culture is simply not one that will accept these people at this point in time, fully legalizing it would just make them bigger targets.
There's also the problem of the already existing legal sex work industries like porn being shady as fuck and regularly manipulating people and ruining lives for a profit. Maybe it's just cuz of my continual drive leftwards economically but I'm not fond of giving that industry even more people to trample over.
by Punished UMN » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:48 pm
Senkaku wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There's a pretty big difference between being a cashier and being a prostitute lol, c'mon now. The latter is inherently magnitudes of order more exploitive.
Why?I don't think they ever could live openly is the problem. Even amongst the younger generation in the States, look at all the vitriol and hatred sex workers get online. Our culture is simply not one that will accept these people at this point in time, fully legalizing it would just make them bigger targets.
This is a bad reason for not making something legal. “Okay maybe we should but just couldn’t handle it”? Go full Eisenhower and send in the 101st Airborne if it ends up being that much of a problem, but I really don’t think it would be. Pot shops do fine, I think brothels would be alright.There's also the problem of the already existing legal sex work industries like porn being shady as fuck and regularly manipulating people and ruining lives for a profit. Maybe it's just cuz of my continual drive leftwards economically but I'm not fond of giving that industry even more people to trample over.
Sounds like a sector in need of serious regulatory oversight! Rather than, you know, just throwing our hands up and saying “too hard!”
by Senkaku » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:50 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Senkaku wrote:The reasonable answer here seems to be to deal with the short term problems created by living under capitalist exploitation (i.e. legalize sex work), while working to end capitalism, rather than making people as miserable as possible now, while doing very little about the future.
What do you mean? Like, no defrauding your clients, pay your workers, no murder? Or are we talking about the maximum legal amount of silicone lube residue that can be discharged into the plumbing of a six-story building that meets seismic requirements but falls short of updated 2023 version 2 thermal efficiency requirements for windows?
If it’s the former, my answer is just yeah. They’d operate like normal businesses. If it’s the latter, I’m in bed on my phone, and I’m not going to write you a full regulatory statute establishing the Bureau of Sex Work Regulation.
Well, what came to mind was anti-discrimination regulations on businesses.
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There's a pretty big difference between being a cashier and being a prostitute lol, c'mon now. The latter is inherently magnitudes of order more exploitive.
I don't think they ever could live openly is the problem. Even amongst the younger generation in the States, look at all the vitriol and hatred sex workers get online. Our culture is simply not one that will accept these people at this point in time, fully legalizing it would just make them bigger targets. There's also the problem of the already existing legal sex work industries like porn being shady as fuck and regularly manipulating people and ruining lives for a profit. Maybe it's just cuz of my continual drive leftwards economically but I'm not fond of giving that industry even more people to trample over.
It's an inherently shady industry.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:50 pm
by The Reformed American Republic » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:51 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:All prostitutes should be self employed. No pimp.
by Magical Medical League » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:53 pm
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by Punished UMN » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:53 pm
by Senkaku » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:53 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:All prostitutes should be self employed. No pimp.
by The Blaatschapen » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:58 pm
by Senkaku » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:03 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Senkaku wrote:I mean, “no blacks or Jews” probably wouldn’t fly, but there should obviously be legal clarification that straight prostitutes do not have to fuck gay clients, and vice versa?
That's the problem though, it means that you basically have then a legal basis that sex workers do not get to choose who they have sex with.
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:05 pm
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by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:12 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:19 pm
Senkaku wrote:This is a bad reason for not making something legal. “Okay maybe we should but just couldn’t handle it”? Go full Eisenhower and send in the 101st Airborne if it ends up being that much of a problem, but I really don’t think it would be. Pot shops do fine, I think brothels would be alright.
Senkaku wrote:Sounds like a sector in need of serious regulatory oversight! Rather than, you know, just throwing our hands up and saying “too hard!”
Senkaku wrote:There are no “inherently shady” industries!
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